Transound D5 Pro (Dartzeel NHB-108 Clone) Amplifier

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Fidel Costar

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Re: Transound D5 Pro (Dartzeel NHB-108 Clone) Amplifier
« Reply #20 on: 9 Jul 2025, 12:08 am »
Yeah, funny answer. But if the amp dies after two months (hoping it does not take the speakers with him in the grave.... :nono:) it is still an audiophile nightmare...  :x

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Re: Transound D5 Pro (Dartzeel NHB-108 Clone) Amplifier
« Reply #21 on: 9 Jul 2025, 12:29 am »
Yeah, funny answer. But if the amp dies after two months (hoping it does not take the speakers with him in the grave.... :nono:) it is still an audiophile nightmare...  :x

The D5/9 amps come with at least 4 fuses and 1 if not 2 relays. There are risks with any amplifier.  Maybe focus on the part where you said it sounds 'amazing'?

Fidel Costar

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Re: Transound D5 Pro (Dartzeel NHB-108 Clone) Amplifier
« Reply #22 on: 9 Jul 2025, 07:08 pm »
In my opinion, the real question is how they manage to make such a good sounding amp with components that some describe as poor quality.

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« Reply #23 on: 9 Jul 2025, 08:11 pm »
In my opinion, the real question is how they manage to make such a good sounding amp with components that some describe as poor quality.

1. Because the components are not poor quality. This isn't 15+yrs. ago when shoddy fake parts were rampant in the direct-from-China market. China now makes almost everything for everyone. Resistors, mosfets, caps, wiring - everything. So the parts cost is extremely low. Quality *control* is another story as these products don't seem to come from a single factory and there is no middleman to standardize production. Which is why only stores w/ strong reviews are recommended. But once again $800 vs. $25,000 (or whatever retail equivalent price).

2. The NHB-108 was originally a diy design. The designer even published the process in Stereophile. The diy community has tinkered with it for over a decade now and China has audio designers like anywhere else who also peruse forums. So this isn't out of nowhere. The original NHB-108 is not a complicated amp per se. In fact the original/retail has far fewer safety measures in place IIRC and needs to be re-biased a few times a year. Yes it has better quality parts probably with much tighter tolerances - but one would expect no less from a $20,000 amplifier.

3. I think it's easy to forget that these analog components aren't made from some cheap chip that comes with a stock design you can download with the datasheet. A lot of these amps, preamps, tube gear etc. are made by people who love the hobby and view imitation as a form of flattery as well as a springboard to improve and innovate. There are a heck of a lot of other ways to make money than 30kg power-hungry amps for $500-2k. Like, say, build yet another AKM/ESS dac like Topping, SMSL and many others :P .

4. There's no getting around there is higher risk. I view buying this gear as the same as buying someone's well made build on diyaudio. Same trade-offs.

Fidel Costar

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Re: Transound D5 Pro (Dartzeel NHB-108 Clone) Amplifier
« Reply #24 on: 9 Jul 2025, 09:26 pm »
Very interesting and well informed answer, Wush ! Thanks a lot.  :D