Loud pop from receiver turn on

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charmerci

Loud pop from receiver turn on
« on: 26 Jun 2024, 03:19 pm »
I have an old Sony receiver that makes a very loud pop - but only occasionally - upon turn on. (I'm not using it now.) It's a $10 thrift shop one so not really worth fixing.


What's the deal?

richidoo

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #1 on: 26 Jun 2024, 05:48 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl9L4XrKvNY

Often the DC difference between high and low PS rails is caused by old electrolytic PS capacitors, which have lost capacity or have internal shorts so they no longer smooth the rectified voltage as designed. Or it could be blown output transistor, but you would notice that in the loss of SQ during playback. If you looked inside the chassis you might see clues like burnt components or swollen/leaking caps.

Even a 1VDC offset can cause loud speaker thump, but it may not have visibly burnt parts or swollen caps, yet.

Sometimes the DC offset goes away after the amp is turned on long enough for rails to come up to nominal voltage but if the DC offset is still present on the output even after turn on/short warm up then it can be damaging to your speakers - because the DC will heat up the voice coils in the loudspeaker driver motors, especially on bass woofers (3way) and midwoofers (2way) where there is not a series capacitor to block the DC like there is on tweeters and true midrange drivers.

You can measure a serious longlasting DC offset problem with a DC volt meter on the output terminals, but if the offset is very short, the DMM may not show it before it's gone, then an oscilloscope is necessary to diagnose the severity.

charmerci

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #2 on: 26 Jun 2024, 06:24 pm »
Thanks for the detailed answer. I did look inside and didn't see anything unusual. Which is a good reminder to everyone including myself to periodically open older components and blow the dust out!

The video seems to deal with turn on thumps so I didn't get much past that - I'll still very likely watch it to the end.

Just to clarify, the receiver has a three (5?) second delay, relay turn on protection circuit and it is (was?) only on an occasional turn on and boy, was it a LOUD quick POP!

richidoo

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #3 on: 26 Jun 2024, 06:59 pm »
Difference between a thump and a pop is measured in volts DC.  :lol:
How much offset determines how far and how fast the speaker cone will move, which is what makes it louder.
Otherwise same reason. Some pro amps allow for small offset thump on turn on. Tweeters are protected by cap, so it's not that bad to hear a thump. If tweeters played the DC it would be more like gunshot and be less tolerated. LOL

So the DC offset sometimes lasts less than 3 seconds and the pop is not heard. Other times the DC lasts longer than 3 seconds and the pop is heard when the relay closes while the DC is still there. 

If it has no DC after short warm up and sounds OK, then my *guess* is the power supply caps are just dried out from age and lost capacity. The rule of thumb for electrolytic caps is 20 years. But could be something else.

charmerci

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #4 on: 26 Jun 2024, 07:07 pm »
Deeply appreciate the answer. So I guess if I re-hook it up and it continues to occasionally pop, it's time to just send it off to recycling.

WGH

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #5 on: 26 Jun 2024, 07:53 pm »
I have an old Sony receiver that makes a very loud pop - but only occasionally - upon turn on.

Leave it on 24/7. I would be concerned that if the pop got louder it could damage a speaker crossover or driver.

charmerci

Re: Loud pop from receiver turn on
« Reply #6 on: 26 Jun 2024, 07:56 pm »
Leave it on 24/7. I would be concerned that if the pop got louder it could damage a speaker crossover or driver.


I've already bought another $10 thrift shop Denon. The Sony sounds better though, fwiw.