[SRP SRP]

Just finished wiring some Otica MTMs up and just, wow. Obviously a more expansive sound stage. I really like the Studios, but I love these MTMs.

Frederick assembled the crossovers and they look great. I highly recommend his work.

What a great hobby!

[mlundy57]

Glad you like them.

[Early B.]

Tell us more about the differences between these two speakers. Since they use the same tweeter, are the highs identical? Does the bass on NX Studio dig deeper? What about the vocals?

[SRP SRP]

Glad you like them.

Thank you Mike. Couldn’t have done it without you!

[SRP SRP]

Tell us more about the differences between these two speakers. Since they use the same tweeter, are the highs identical? Does the bass on NX Studio dig deeper? What about the vocals?

Mr. Lundy can better detail the differences as I’m a neophyte. Tweeter sounds more open and expansive- OB effect. Listening to a cello playlist - there just seems to be more lower midrange energy. Duh, extra woofers. But I hope this makes sense.

I roll both speakers off at 80 Hz. Double Troubles take over.

It’s a shame these aren’t sold as a kit.

[Hobbsmeerkat]

Mr. Lundy can better detail the differences as I’m a neophyte. Tweeter sounds more open and expansive- OB effect. Listening to a cello playlist - there just seems to be more lower midrange energy. Duh, extra woofers. But I hope this makes sense.

I roll both speakers off at 80 Hz. Double Troubles take over.

It’s a shame these aren’t sold as a kit.

We've definitely had a lot of sudden interest in this model over the past ~6 months, but we don't currently have any flatpacks.

The main reason Danny killed the MTM was because it's not a "stand alone" speaker, it needs subs to take over ~150Hz and down (Much like the old "Wedgie" and Super-Mini models)
But just sitting them on top of a pair of dual servos, while solid performers for smaller rooms where a full Otica + subs isn't doable, really isn't a cohesive speaker design, It's 2/3 of a speaker sitting on top of a pair of sub towers.

We are working on a design that will be using triple 8" subs that will be a much more cohesive design, but the complex design of the cabinet is proving difficult to get right.

[jmimac351]

Just finished wiring some Otica MTMs up and just, wow. Obviously a more expansive sound stage. I really like the Studios, but I love these MTMs.

Frederick assembled the crossovers and they look great. I highly recommend his work.

What a great hobby!

I have a very early prototype flatpack (and probably the last one that was available).  I am working on something to add some low end, with a little different take on what has been done in the past. 

I'm trying to take some time off next week and should be able to show a picture of what I'm going to test. I am very confident it will work and sound great. It won't be servo, but it should be unique and very good.  I also have an idea for how to make it cohesive.

Wouldn't you know it... it's handy that the Wilson Audio Duette has an 8" Scan-Speak Revelator driver in an enclosure with a front baffle as narrow as possible for the driver, with separate binding posts to drive just the woofer... 

[mlundy57]

These cabinets the OP is talking about are the original prototypes for the MTMs I worked with Jay on coming up with the parts for and sent to Danny for measurement to see if the MTM section of the X-Otica crossover would work or if it needed any tweaking. I had been saving them for a second build but decided to let them go since I don’t know when I’ll get time to work on another build for myself.

[SRP SRP]

We've definitely had a lot of sudden interest in this model over the past ~6 months, but we don't currently have any flatpacks.

The main reason Danny killed the MTM was because it's not a "stand alone" speaker, it needs subs to take over ~150Hz and down (Much like the old "Wedgie" and Super-Mini models)
But just sitting them on top of a pair of dual servos, while solid performers for smaller rooms where a full Otica + subs isn't doable, really isn't a cohesive speaker design, It's 2/3 of a speaker sitting on top of a pair of sub towers.

We are working on a design that will be using triple 8" subs that will be a much more cohesive design, but the complex design of the cabinet is proving difficult to get right.

I look forward to seeing what develops!

[AK-Grwn_v2]

We've definitely had a lot of sudden interest in this model over the past ~6 months, but we don't currently have any flatpacks.

As one of the folks that enquired, it has to do with changing needs. I started a slow process that would eventually see me purchasing an Otica or Extreme, but went with double troubles to complement my Maggie’s to start. Space very quickly became an issue and apparent that in my current space OB subs and otica/extremes won’t work. So now I have Studios sitting on top of the doubles. Which are amazing, yes, but I have other plans for the studios in the future.

A couple q’s:

-Will those 200nq woofers be good for open baffle? Could those potentially dip low enough in an MTM set up to sit on top of the doubles?

-could the OB double troubles be built in a similarly sized U frame rather than an h frame? Would that have a negative impact?

Thanks for all you guys do. Love watching the videos and thinking of something else to build in the future.

[TRADERXFAN]

They originally had a W frame on the double ob servo subs.

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=166876.0

The link to those plans are gone now. But basically it was taking the baffle and folding it 90 degrees into a corner, vertically.

Here is a little profile sketch of the thing if you looked at it from the side and could see through the side walls to help explain

[Endo2112]

We still have MTM baffles, but not wings, should anyone want them, would be easy enough to build though.

Don

[AK-Grwn_v2]

We still have MTM baffles, but not wings, should anyone want them, would be easy enough to build though.

Don

Hi Don, sent a PM to enquire.

[AK-Grwn_v2]

They originally had a W frame on the double ob servo subs.

Thanks, I’ve seen the W shape before, just wondering…. The servo subs are being used in the old school designs for the low end and an 8-in servos are being drawn up for an otica variant. If the H frame subs were to be put into a U frame open baffle base and paired with the MTM if that would be a better alternative with the otica MTM than using the H frame.

[mlundy57]

Thanks, I’ve seen the W shape before, just wondering…. The servo subs are being used in the old school designs for the low end and an 8-in servos are being drawn up for an otica variant. If the H frame subs were to be put into a U frame open baffle base and paired with the MTM if that would be a better alternative with the otica MTM than using the H frame.

I’ve done that before with dual 12s. The H frame has more output.

[TRADERXFAN]

I’ve done that before with dual 12s. The H frame has more output.

Good to know - thanks for that.

I am looking to make an even wider H frame for perhaps a bit more output.

[Early B.]

I’ve done that before with dual 12s. The H frame has more output.

Yep, I started with the W and "upgraded" to the H frame. A significant improvement...

[SRP SRP]

We've definitely had a lot of sudden interest in this model over the past ~6 months, but we don't currently have any flatpacks.

The main reason Danny killed the MTM was because it's not a "stand alone" speaker, it needs subs to take over ~150Hz and down (Much like the old "Wedgie" and Super-Mini models)
But just sitting them on top of a pair of dual servos, while solid performers for smaller rooms where a full Otica + subs isn't doable, really isn't a cohesive speaker design, It's 2/3 of a speaker sitting on top of a pair of sub towers.

We are working on a design that will be using triple 8" subs that will be a much more cohesive design, but the complex design of the cabinet is proving difficult to get right.

For me and with respect, in a small to medium-sized room the Otica MTM’s are a hidden gem. $/performance — it’s a no-brainer.

In hindsight and given the choice, I would chose the Otica MTMs over the Studios.

The MTM Oticas and double troubles may not be coherent, but they replicate concerts I’ve attended better than the Studios.  I understand the Studios are near field monitors.

I may skip the Oticas and go to the Extremes.

What a great hobby!

[TRADERXFAN]

really isn't a cohesive speaker design, It's 2/3 of a speaker sitting on top of a pair of sub towers.

Can you explain in what way it is not?

Is a full Nx-otica alone (no subwoofer) better sounding than a Nx-otica MTM + dual ob servo subs?

What is missing on the mtm with dual ob subs combo?

Thanks

[Tyson]

Can you explain in what way it is not?

Is a full Nx-otica alone (no subwoofer) better sounding than a Nx-otica MTM + dual ob servo subs?

What is missing on the mtm with dual ob subs combo?

Thanks

The full NX-Otica has better upper/mid bass.  But it needs subs you really don’t want to run it without subs.