[Danny Richie]

New Record Day just launched a review of a couple of our new Old School models, the Brute and the Bully.

https://youtu.be/uWu883ShzUg?si=R1ydXZ7wufo2A61I

[Danny Richie]

Also, be sure to check out the sound clips.

How accurate these speakers are to the original signal is almost unbelievable.

The recordings really are a pair of speakers, playing in a room, with a microphone in front of them.

[Randy]

Fantastic. Congrats.

[Tyson]

Both speakers measure very well but the Brute's are next level!  Incredible accuracy.  Especially in the bass which is exceptionally hard to accomplish.   Congrats on the great review of these killer designs.

[newzooreview]

There's some useful information in the review, and both speakers seem to be admirably good designs.

It's too bad the reviewer hides his business relationship with GR Research. Many will be aware, but a clear statement would have been preferable.

[Tyson]

Is there I business relationship?  I didn't know that.  Where did you find that info?

[Peter J]

There's some useful information in the review, and both speakers seem to be admirably good designs.

It's too bad the reviewer hides his business relationship with GR Research. Many will be aware, but a clear statement would have been preferable.

Do tell, newzooreview, you seem to have an inside track.
 As far as I know, they're friends and live in the same area. Ron and Danny have been transparent about that. Ron edits or used to edit Danny's videos. How is it you think it affects what either is doing on their respective channels? Perhaps it makes access easier, but outside of that I just don't see the conflict of interest you suggest.  I've talked with both extensively and while we don't agree on every last thing, I've never gotten a disingenuous vibe from either.

[newzooreview]

Ron Brenay and GR Research have frequently referenced Ron's work producing and editing video content for GR Research. That's not news for anyone who has watched videos by either of them. Video production and editing is not trivial work. If someone would like to believe there's no compensation for that, PM me. I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

[Peter J]

Ron Brenay and GR Research have frequently referenced Ron's work producing and editing video content for GR Research. That's not news for anyone who has watched videos by either of them. Video production and editing is not trivial work. If someone would like to believe there's no compensation for that, PM me. I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

So what? Don't you pay for services rendered? How is it that doesn't sit well with you? You seem to be saying that Ron's jaded by the fact that he edits videos for compensation or that he's a shill for GRR. And BTW, you should put that bridge on Facebook Marketplace. From what I've seen it's sellable.

[Tyson]

newzooreview,
Concern trolling is a dick move.

[newzooreview]

People can draw their own conclusions. My opinion is that a reviewer should explicitly disclose in each product review his relationship to the owner of the company whose products he is reviewing. Providing that transparency builds confidence. Erin's Audio Corner, to pick just one example, states in every case what his potential conflicts of interest might be so that people can decide how to weigh his statements.

I have nothing further of relevance to say and will exit the discussion.

[Tyson]

newzooreview,
Following up the concern trolling with even more passive aggressive BS.   

You are right, people can draw their own conclusions.  About YOU and your need for attention while you take a crap in this thread.

[BrandonB]

I come to this forum daily seeking a few things 1)Entertainment 2)Education 3)Community. I have picked up hifi in the last few years as a hobby and have thoroughly enjoyed it.  If I had this much passion for computer programming, data analytics or something geeky like that I would  already be a master and making well over 150k by now.... I just had to throw that in.  I have chosen this forum to be my community and made many friends and have met several in person.  I have talked to several people on the phone from the forum in which some I talk to more than once a week on average.  My wife and I own a very small niche business that thrives on relationships.  We have to have those relationships to succeed and they are both with clients and competitors.  Sometimes we need our competitors to help us out. I have talked to Danny and he has mentioned Ron in conversation several times.  Danny has said Ron does YouTube video editing.  As a business owner and hobbyist I thought to myself "That is so cool". In business it is great to have synergistic relationships.  It is good for the business as well as the consumer.  I was just looking at Ron's website yesterday because, there is some equipment I would love for him to review.  Ron has several sponsors including Spatial Audio which is in some ways competition to Danny.  A few years back Danny had the previous owner of Spatial Audio on his his YouTube channel  talking about open baffle design. So having other companies competitors and synergistic companies is a good thing in that it promotes your company and Youtube channel and educates customers.   
Rons video about the Old School series was interesting and informative.  If you haven't realized Ron has to come up with a new product to review for each new episode.  I bet Danny has had many people ask him the differences between the two speakers, needing equipment to review Ron was probably happy to do the comparison on his channel.  Ron wasn't comparing a GR Research speakers against another companies speakers.  He was Comparing two GR Research speakers in the same speaker line. 
What I am trying to say is that they have a business and friend relationship that is synergistic and they want each other to succeed.  I I myself have heard the Bully and man did it sound great.  I am building a pair of NX-otica's now and sometimes I wish I would have went with the Bully's they are that good.  Just throwing this out there for later.  What I would love to see is the video of the Bully's compared to the Beast when and if they it comes out.  They might need to get a bigger lift for the Beast but that would be  awesome.  I have a feeling before its all said and done I will have a Beast and a Bully to go along with the NX-otica. I check out both channels almost everyday wanting a dose of entertainment and education.  That takes a ton of work.  The synergistic relationships that is had in this community allows that to happen. 

[jmimac351]

I have nothing further of relevance to say and will exit the discussion.

Since you bring it up, you could make this same statement regarding most reviews of speakers, since they usually substitute hyperbole and metaphors for measurements...unless it's a GR Research speaker / conversation.  Perhaps you could make a hobby out of challenging reviewers when they make claims, don't substantiate them, and actually ARE being paid in the form of advertising spend by the OEM.  Instead, you ride in here to "speak Truth to Power".  Super.   

At the Munich High-End Show recently... with the thousands of manufacturers / reviewers / "people with an agenda" in the industry there... should we say that reviews shouldn't be done because they know one another and maybe even have been out to dinner together / are friends?  Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, these speakers "speak" for themselves.  What's interesting if one is paying attention, something very close to the Bully has existed for some time.  If one looks at the measurements for the X-CS Bravo center channel, you'll see that ruler flat response.  Pair of couple of those with servo subs, and you have another take on this stuff.  I don't know what the math comes out to for that route, but I would just get the Bully and be done with it; however, if you wanted to progressively work up to something similar to the Bully, or didn't have the space for the Bully by itself...

And in an odd twist of Fate, your drive-by slap has generated something of relevance.  Nice goin'.

https://gr-research.com/product/x-cs-bravo/

X-CS Bravo Response:

[BrandonB]

The fact of the matter is, these speakers "speak" for themselves.  What's interesting if one is paying attention, something very close to the Bully has existed for some time.  If one looks at the measurements for the X-CS Bravo center channel, you'll see that ruler flat response.  Pair of couple of those with servo subs, and you have another take on this stuff.  I don't know what the math comes out to for that route, but I would just get the Bully and be done with it; however, if you wanted to progressively work up to something similar to the Bully, or didn't have the space for the Bully by itself...

And in an odd twist of Fate, your drive-by slap has generated something of relevance.  Nice goin'.

https://gr-research.com/product/x-cs-bravo/

X-CS Bravo Response:


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You are correct.  The frequency response and spectral decay on the Bravo, X-CS Bravo, and Bully is so clean.  It definitely comes across when listening to in person.  Then you get to dial in those subs to your room.  With the Bully you get it in a nice pretty package.  I think when and if they come out with the Beast the Bully will sound just a tiny bit more refined.  The spectral decay on the Bravo is just a tad bit better.  The Beast will be able to shatter the windows while sounding pretty darn good at the same time.  You might even be able to take them outside and have a concert with the bigger drivers and extra sub woofer and added sensitivity.

[Danny Richie]

People can draw their own conclusions. My opinion is that a reviewer should explicitly disclose in each product review his relationship to the owner of the company whose products he is reviewing. Providing that transparency builds confidence. Erin's Audio Corner, to pick just one example, states in every case what his potential conflicts of interest might be so that people can decide how to weigh his statements.

It has been well disclosed many times that Ron edits my videos.

In fact it was Ron that got me started in doing YouTube video's. He sent out a request to about 30 different manufacturers asking if they would be interested in doing a "tech talk" still video for his channel. I responded and told him that I'd consider doing that. Ron then set me up with some basics and had me start shooting video's that he released on his channel every Tuesday (Tuesday Tech Talk).

The Tuesday Tech talk got so popular that he spun me off into my own channel, and I have been doing them ever since.

I often even mention Ron as my editor in my videos. So it is no secrete at all.

Ron also now lives in the same town as me, and we've become great friends.

That being said, he cuts me no slack when reviewing anything of mine. I have zero input on anything regarding his review and don't see it until it is done, just like everyone else.

As already mentioned, Ron didn't even compare our speakers to any other companies products. He only compared them to each other.

What hasn't been discussed, and what is really impressive, are the sound clips. These are made with a microphone in front of each speaker playing in the room. How close they come to accurately reproducing the original signal is super impressive. The Bully in particular just crushes it. No other speaker that he has reviewed has been able to reproduce the original track to that high of a level of accuracy.

[VinceT]

No dog in this fight, if you watch any NRD or Danny's tech talks at all...you know the history between these guys. I do feel NRD is sincere about GR products ever since he reviewed the Encores many years ago. I understand about the disclaimer, but to most the relationship is common knowledge.

[maty]

Danny, you should consider a new floor-standing speaker, MTM and with the tweeter moved to the side, with the same optimization as The Bully. Rear or front bass-reflex, optional.
Also that your subwoofers can also work at 240 Vac / 50 Hz.

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You could also make a video about the different ways to add low frequencies, with their advantages and disadvantages.
Have you built or optimized a transmission line speaker?

[Danny Richie]

Danny, you should consider a new floor-standing speaker, MTM and with the tweeter moved to the side, with the same optimization as The Bully. Rear or front bass-reflex, optional.

On the drawing board. We have also tested a front baffle for the Encore with some modifications to the front baffle (swept sides).

Also that your subwoofers can also work at 240 Vac / 50 Hz.

They do.

You could also make a video about the different ways to add low frequencies, with their advantages and disadvantages.

I've done one on using high pass filters and sub by-passes.

Have you built or optimized a transmission line speaker?

Yes the old A/V-3 and N3 models were a transmission line design.

[goggle1824]

Excellent save on this thread, Community. It was headed off the rails in a big way, to what “helpful” end, in the manufactures own specific forum, none-the-less, I will never understand… 

But alas, back on track and relevant, frankly just an amazing review, Ron has just gotten so good, just “Wow” and those sound clips, holy $#%T!!!