New audio card on the horizon X-fi

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Woodsea

New audio card on the horizon X-fi
« on: 10 May 2005, 06:05 am »
I have not been a creative fan since they pummeled all other companies on the consumer market.  They have never had the best sounding cards.  This may be a winner though.  Catchy  name :roll:
Here is a link http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1813721,00.asp

I think this maybe the year I step back into building my own computer again.   This card and the new AMD X2 cpu along with a rockin' 512 mg video card, could be a real sweet HTPC.  Gotta game too.

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New audio card on the horizon X-fi
« Reply #2 on: 29 Aug 2005, 11:55 pm »
Hi All

Interesting product.  But if creative is really after the high end market then they would be better off looking at Anagrams technology which I suspect is the best upsampling/downsampling technology in the world being able to audibly reduce the effects of jitter.
http://www.anagramtech.com/

I have read reports on the Manly site where they tried adding large amounts of external jitter and spoofing it in various ways and it made subjectively no difference at all.

However using someone else's technology would not allow claims of breakthrough etc.  Also I suspect audiophiles is not their real market.  Personally I would be more excited if the secret rabbit code resampler was again available as a pluggin for Foobar.

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RE: New audio card on the horizon X-fi
« Reply #3 on: 30 Aug 2005, 01:40 pm »
Here is another review of Creative Labs X-fi card...

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20050818/index.html

Tom's Hardware Guide WEB site has been covering this cards development over the past year and that is were I have pick up my interest in it.  I'm going to wait for others to purchase the card and give their feedback in the WEB.

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Another review of the X-fi card.
« Reply #4 on: 30 Aug 2005, 09:10 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: 30 Aug 2005, 09:24 pm »
So, it looks like the point of this card is to have multiple sources and multiple outputs without losing bits?  * http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2518&p=2

While that's neat, I don't know the application... I only use a simple, 2-channel system... listening to one song on that one system at a time...

So, according to their site, I don't think I'd get any advantage to using this card...

Quote from: from Anandtech link above
Current sound card architectures are based on a linear flow of data. For straight up audio listening or recording, this is not a problem – there isn't any need to deviate from the norm in these cases.

Occam

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« Reply #6 on: 31 Aug 2005, 10:13 pm »
Carl - You surprise me. As someone who waxes poetic and positively swoons over the benenfits of room/loudspeaker correction, the architechural and processing power of the X-fi should leave you with a priapism (wood  8) ). It does me....
As to whether Creative will actually BE creative, remains to be seen. Or they may simply find that that specific market niche would not be profitable.
I do forgive Anandtech for they know not of what they speak.

CSMR

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« Reply #7 on: 31 Aug 2005, 10:59 pm »
The point of the card is to combine good quality sound with processing features for gamers.

EchiDna

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« Reply #8 on: 1 Sep 2005, 12:19 am »
if you read the stuff put out by creative your built in bullshit detector should be going off the scale....

makes mp3's or any substandard recording sound better?

better than what? silence? built in ac97 sound cards? extremly thin on information and big on numbers and marketing talk IMHO.

Carlman

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« Reply #9 on: 1 Sep 2005, 12:26 am »
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Carl - You surprise me. As someone who waxes poetic and positively swoons over the benenfits of room/loudspeaker correction, the architechural and processing power of the X-fi should leave you with a priapism (wood  8) ). It does me....
As to whether Creative will actually BE creative, remains to be seen. Or they may simply find that that specific market niche would not be profitable.
I do forgive Anandtech for they know not of what they speak.


I only read part of the Anandtech report...  but I didn't see anything it could do that I couldn't already do... and how it would sound better while doing it.  The applications aren't clear to me and I do not understand what this card is all about.  If it's designed for gamers, it makes more sense... since I've never been into games.  I like Tron and other basic arcade games from the 80's but I don't play them unless I'm in an arcade...

Anyway, share what you know, Occam... I don't see an advantage for listening to audio with this card.  Where does it specifically address sound quality in a way that's better than any other thus far?

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« Reply #10 on: 1 Sep 2005, 02:46 am »
Folks - Obviously, I came away from reading the Anantech and Creative websites with a very different assessment than you. Certainly, Creative is using marketing hyperbole, but the term 'concurrent ring architecture' may ring of marketing bs to you, but given the descriptions of capabilities, it was quite ressonant to me.  I actually worked peripherally with this technology years ago when I still had my Q clearance. Join the ACM and do a literature search.
 
Indeed, the 'spacializer' for MP3s is, IMO, piffle; but it will help sell sufficient units, that dwarfs the 'audiophile' market and have them laughing all the way to the bank.  As will their gaming capabilities. But the technology behind the spacializer interests me very much.
As my interest is in massaging (ripped) stored files, I really don't care if the algorithms required are non causal. I'm more than willing to do without those capabilities for realtime play of internet radio.

I will state that their Elite Pro, as described is sufficient to replace a DEQ2496, DEC2496, Tactpre [EDIT.- I'll add to that list a Roland M-1000, for full digital volume control of 6-8 channels of output].. for real time use.
Which is all moot without the software implementation. But the capabilities are certainly there.

Will Creative (or their EMU subsidiary) address this ever so lucrative 'audiophile' market? Dunno. But I clearly stated in my post -
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As to whether Creative will actually BE creative, remains to be seen. Or they may simply find that that specific market niche would not be profitable.

I'm done. I actually read all of the referenced URLs.
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