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« Reply #20 on: 2 May 2005, 08:45 am »
Man what is it with the majority of speakers set too wide and too close to the sidewalls?!?  I heard Vandersteen 5As at a show this way once and it sounded awful.  I can't believe that speaker designers wouldn't know better than this.  It's as though everyone will hate your sound if it doesn't have a "forced" soundstage or something.

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« Reply #21 on: 2 May 2005, 10:21 am »
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Man what is it with the majority of speakers set too wide and too close to the sidewalls?!? I heard Vandersteen 5As at a show this way once and it sounded awful. I can't believe that speaker designers wouldn't know better than this. It's as though everyone will hate your sound if it doesn't have a "forced" soundstage or something.


You are correct about the placement. The rooms were small unless they had a suite or meeting room. For some of the larger floor standers they just did not mate well with the small rooms physically or sonically. As Chris pointed out the Ascendo room sounded very open and natural. Considering the drivers and design I suspect this is more to do with the fact that the speakers were about 10 ft from any wall in a room that had to have been 50' x 35'. That yeilds a much better sound stage then a larger speaker in a 10' x 15' room were it looks like they had to grease the side of the cabinet to get the speaker in the room.

That being said for me some of the best sounding rooms used small- med 2 ways.

PhilNYC

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« Reply #22 on: 2 May 2005, 12:39 pm »
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Man what is it with the majority of speakers set too wide and too close to the sidewalls?!?  I heard Vandersteen 5As at a show this way once and it sounded awful.  I can't believe that speaker designers wouldn't know better than this.  It's as though everyone will hate your sound if it doesn't have a "forced" soundstage or something.


John,

It's not that simple...those rooms are horrible, with tons of node issues because of all sorts of overhangs and multiple "megaphone corners" which just screw everything up.  It wasn't a matter of "forcing soundstage"...it was a matter of finding the best place for the speakers that didn't completely screw up the bass.  The one thing we did try to "tune" was to get a big sweetspot...obviously at a show, we knew we were going to get a lot of people into the room listening together, so that was something we felt important.  But mainly we were really just trying to control the bass, and the final placement we got surprisingly did have speakers near the sidewalls.  We spent over 7 hours trying to get our speaker placement right on Wednesday (set-up day), and we continued tweaking at the end of every day.

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« Reply #23 on: 3 May 2005, 01:23 am »
Hi all,

    I do agreed that the biggest problem at the show is the room. One good or should I say bad example of sizing speaker to the room is MBL. They have a pair of  floorstander of a pretty good size in a tiny room. And to make it worst with thier have 360* tweeter and mid. Also, there were blasting show goers with high SPL. I remember last year they have a somewhat larger speaker in a bigger room and the sound was great. Also, another one is the Gersham room. I was in there and hear nothing but bloated bass. Good example for speaker matching room size I would say JM Lab and Patho.

     Another thing I want to complaint about is the sound level. Most room just balst people with higher SPL than what I would consider a normal level. With this I think we are missing the chance to see how the speaker and system as a whole will sound at normal listen level. You know some speaker sound lifeless and lack detail at lower level. But of cause you do need a few minutes to see how speaker handle the high SPL but not all the time. Fortunately most room that played my CD (trip-hop/electronica music of cause  :mrgreen: )did asked  if the volume was okay for me.

     I guess that is why I enjoy going to NY Rave because I could see speaker and system in a real world set up. :D

      Anyway, I had great time this year at the show eventough is smaller than last year. Well,that's all I have to say now.

Take care all,
Buddy :thumb:

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« Reply #24 on: 3 May 2005, 04:52 am »
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Man what is it with the majority of speakers set too wide and too close to the sidewalls?!?  I heard Vandersteen 5As at a show this way once and it sounded awful.  I can't believe that speaker designers wouldn't know better than this.  It's as though everyone will hate your sound if it doesn't have a "forced" soundstage or something.


John,

I agree.  Also, Phil is correct about the rooms in general.  Perhaps this is why the majority of vendors were playing very simplified musical selections --  solo vocals and, or 2-3 instruments.  Very few ventured into complex classiscal/symphonic arrangements with their music selection.

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« Reply #25 on: 5 May 2005, 02:21 am »
Btw - I nominate 6Moons.com for having the best photographers of all the online audio publishers.  Here's their show coverage:

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/industryfeatures.html

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« Reply #26 on: 5 May 2005, 03:15 pm »
Phil:
      Phew! That's a lot of reportage. Hats off to Srajan. Interestingly, he picked up on the same rooms as I did regarding good sound, musicality or "the experience".

Larry

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« Reply #27 on: 5 May 2005, 03:21 pm »
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Phil:
      Phew! That's a lot of reportage. Hats off to Srajan. Interestingly, he picked up on the same rooms as I did regarding good sound, musicality or "the experience".

Larry


And I just found out that Srajan takes all his own pictures... :thumb:

Levi

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« Reply #28 on: 5 May 2005, 04:16 pm »
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Thanks again to SetMan/Buddy and Bingenito/Bryan for posting the photo's. Levy ...did you shoot any Sunday....besides the audio babes ? :lol:
    And thanks go out to PhilNYC / Sonic Spirits, Klaus / Odyssey, and tvyankee / April Music for letting me play whatever music I wanted....and I played quiet a few cd's !!! :beer: [/list:u]
      A few thought's on the show...I only attended on Saturday...after a long week and a late night on Saturday...I was beat and did not make it back there Sunday.[/list:u]
        I ...


Sorry, I must have missed this one.  Yes, I have a some pictures that I took hoping that they were unique to what everyone posted here(I hope).  I will upload them and post them here soon.  Basically, same room but different perspective  :wink: