HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore

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floresjc

HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« on: 15 Mar 2023, 01:38 am »
I assume the Song3 is a clear upgrade if only for the extended range? Has anyone heard both? Are theEncore hard to place? I have the original model HT2-TL

Rocket

Re: HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« Reply #1 on: 15 Mar 2023, 11:31 am »
Hi,

I haven't heard both speakers but I did have the original HT2's, HT3's and now I have Song 3's.  Going from the HT2's to HT3's Jim advised me that the bass would be a major improvement and because the midrange had less range to cover it would have less distortion. This was exactly what occurred and the midrange of the HT3's was far superior than the HT2's.

Sor I presume the Audio Technology midrange would be far superior than the SEAS one.

Cheers Rod

jsalk

Re: HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« Reply #2 on: 16 Mar 2023, 07:26 pm »
I'll try my best to explain the differences in what you would hear.  After listening for the HT2-TL's as long as you have, the first thing you would notice with the Song3 Encores is that they sound like a much larger speaker (they are larger).  That is because the Satori 9.5" woofer can move much more air down low.  So from a bass perspective, the Encores are hands-down winners in this area.

In the midrange, the the Audio Technology mid (basically a Dynaudio driver) is a bit smoother and warmer sounding than the Seas Excel W18's in the HT2-TL's.  This is always a balancing act.  Some people love the incredible detail in the Seas W18's.  Others may find them to be a bit too "analytical" for lack of a better term. 

For many years, I preferred all the detail I could get out of a speaker.  That is because I worked in recording studios and wanted to hear every minute detail in a mix.  But I find the smoother performance of the AT mid to be very relaxing and can listen to it for hours on end.  In a way, it is like the difference between a good tube and and a good solid state amp.  Both can sound great, but they definitely sound a bit different.

As for the tweeter, I find the Beryllium tweeter to be as detailed as the RAAL ribbons in the HT2-TL's, but with superior off axis response (since it is a dome).  We have never used a metal dome tweeter until Be tweeters came on the market as they can tend to be a bit edgy sounding.  But there are two positive things that make Be a good choice for a tweeter. 

First, unlike other metal dome tweeters, the cone break-up mode of a Be cone is 34kHz...well beyond audibility.  The second advantage is that they are self-damping.  So instruments like cymbals don't hang on artificially like they can with other metal domes.

With those two advantages in mind, I think the top end of both of these speakers would rate about the same.

As to your question about placement, the Encores are front ported.  So they are about as easy to place as the HT2-TL's.  We have played them at audio shows with great success where the rooms tend to be about 13' x 19' or so...not large.  With a large woofer, the bass will tend to "pile up" in corners and against the rear wall.  But if your listening position isn't near these, you will have no particular issues.  If you need to be near the rear corners or wall of a room, you can use bass traps to deal with this.  Either way, I don't see room size as being a major issue.

- Jim

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Re: HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« Reply #3 on: 18 Mar 2023, 11:54 pm »
...For many years, I preferred all the detail I could get out of a speaker.  That is because I worked in recording studios and wanted to hear every minute detail in a mix.  But I find the smoother performance of the AT mid to be very relaxing and can listen to it for hours on end... 
- Jim

Jim,

I found I could listen to your HT2-TL speakers for marathon sessions lasting over 4 hours without nary an issue as far as fatigue. But I'm in the minority in that I had treated all walls, side reflection points *and* ceiling first reflection points with Real Traps.

Many audiophiles, for many reasons, can't accomplish this and the results can be harsh with detailed speakers.

greg92

Re: HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« Reply #4 on: 19 Mar 2023, 11:06 am »
Jim made me a pair of ESS Heil based speakers. They are very detailed and so smooth I can listen endlessly, at any volume.

floresjc

Re: HT2-TL vs Song3 Encore
« Reply #5 on: 27 Mar 2023, 12:53 am »
I purchased a use pair of Song3 Encores today for a song, and they are fantastic. We watched march madness with them and the audio quality was very clear and my wife and I are relaxing to a jazz cd now after moving a few hundred pounds of Salk speakers around today.