What's he up to now?

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Peter J

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Re: What's he up to now?
« Reply #20 on: 6 Jan 2022, 07:21 pm »
Well, this is a good a place as any to discuss and I'm in a writing mood!

I suppose by my nature, I question a lot of things. Driver mounting hardware falls short of good in a lot of ways, IMHO. The conventional wisdom of using self-tapping screws has become the norm, but selection of head style, color and driver type is slim. Even slimmer when one considers that many self-tapping screw threads aren't designed for wood at all, much less MDF. They're just not optimized for wood.

Some years ago, I started messing around with machine screws for mounting, mostly because the head type and color I wanted was readily available.  Tapping and super glue, screw in threaded inserts, T-nuts, etc. all left something to be desired. They solved problems, but created different ones.

I started looking at epoxy-in threaded inserts, but all I found had closed ends, which meant that screw length was critical, yet another problem introduced. Because I like to nose around for the obscure, I became aware of a very similar design that was marketed as a press-in design for metal. Spiral knurling but with and open end. This looked promising.

I ordered some and started to experiment. Pull out resistance, ease of installation and outer diameter all looked promising. I've hung 20 lbs. of a single 8-32 insert in MDF and am convinced the MDF would fail before insert would pull out and would certainly match or exceed that obtained with a tapping screw.  With proper drill size, they're easy to install. I finally was checking off all boxes. I do use good epoxy, but I don't know if that makes a difference. I like the heavy body and strength of System Three T-88, but I'm sure it has equivalents.

They're a little fussy to install, so I doubt it will gain traction in the commercial world. I've developed a technique that maybe needs a video or at least a pictorial but, it seems like a perfect solution for the DIY world. Screw selection is great, I've pictured a few as well as a link to McMaster page where I found them. The only possible caveat, and I haven't yet tested, is that the lack of taper on threads may cause them to loosen over time. Easily solved with a bit of low-strength Loctite, but I'm not sure of the necessity. Once I get theses fleshed out, I'll be able to test for that very thing in the real world.


I should add that with 4-40, 6-32, and 8-32 I can cover most any installation. 10-32 might be useful but have not found a need yet.

Here's a link to a video showing how I install these: https://studio.youtube.com/video/GCRc_XyQidw/edit


https://www.mcmaster.com/threaded-inserts/press-fit-inserts-for-soft-metal/












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Re: What's he up to now?
« Reply #21 on: 6 Jan 2022, 07:44 pm »
Peter, a while back you suggested this for my build and I can't thank you enough for it. They are super clean flush mounted and are super easy to install. A little adhesive just for good measure and they are solid. The best part is they are easy to tape off if painting so it won't screw anything up in the finishing process to test fit drivers.

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Re: What's he up to now?
« Reply #22 on: 6 Jan 2022, 07:56 pm »
On the NX Studios here, I masked off tweeter inserts when flocking interiors, but when spraying exterior I did nothing and had no problems with screw insertion. If one were wiping or brushing, I think it would be prudent to keep from flooding holes. If a little finish did get into inserts, I planned to run a tap in and out, but that proved unnecessary.