Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo

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Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« on: 27 Mar 2021, 09:24 pm »
https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8stereo.htm

I am looking into this unit and see that it has a ethernet port on it.  I want to stream music from my computer using CAT 5 (as I do now with my current DAC) and do not have the ability or desire to use USB.  What I don't understand is what Okto Research means when they say it has a Raspberry Pi option that must be wired into it? Will this unit not take a signal from computer without additional hardware? 

Also, on the order sheet it has a selection for a custom output voltage.  What would I want to choose?

Thanks!!

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #1 on: 27 Mar 2021, 09:54 pm »
My only warning with Okto is the lead time...it is well documented.  You could wait 4-6 months at this point.


For your questions.  The stereo version you have an option to have an RPi4 built in so then your ethernet would go direct.  Whereas the dac8 Pro has to be external.


Output voltage might need to be adjusted depending on on your use/gain setup. 


There was a used one that I saw  https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fs-okto-dac8-stereo.21378/

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #2 on: 28 Mar 2021, 11:55 am »
My only warning with Okto is the lead time...it is well documented.  You could wait 4-6 months at this point.


For your questions.  The stereo version you have an option to have an RPi4 built in so then your ethernet would go direct.  Whereas the dac8 Pro has to be external.


Output voltage might need to be adjusted depending on on your use/gain setup. 


There was a used one that I saw  https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fs-okto-dac8-stereo.21378/
That one's sitting at my house right now, just for grins  8)

There is a small hard wired type jumper that plugs into the back from the Pi4 (inside) USB output to the DAC USB input. See pic at lower right. Ethernet cable plugs right in between them.



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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #3 on: 1 Apr 2021, 04:54 pm »
How is this unit? I was thinking about the Mola Mola Tambaqui but i have not heard it so I am not sure if it really is the ultimate DAC like they say. This Okto seems like it could be a great option. Do you use it as a volume control pre also?

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #4 on: 1 Apr 2021, 06:30 pm »
How is this unit? I was thinking about the Mola Mola Tambaqui but i have not heard it so I am not sure if it really is the ultimate DAC like they say. This Okto seems like it could be a great option. Do you use it as a volume control pre also?
Make that "ultimate measuring DAC". I had the Tambaqui (not at the same time) and it is also very good, I'm not sure about $8-10k good. What you get with the Okto is remarkable clarity and black background, no detail left out, while it makes very good music, all for a crazy low price. I've been listening to it through a Modwright KWH 225i integrated, so haven't used it as a preamp yet. Note that they strongly recommend XLR's, there is no SE output on it at all, so you need a preamp/amp with balanced inputs. It is functionally very solid and user friendly, using an Apple remote. It sounds very pleasant, lots of information, slightly on edge of an up front presentation, overall just very nice listen to. Then, I put my Bricasti M1SE back in and I immediately felt that "ahhh" feeling of the sound being a bit more relaxed, smoother, while easily matching the clarity and information retrieval the Okto excels at. The M1 is also 7x (new) the price of the Okto. It probably comes down to a matter of taste on the presentation, and I just prefer the more relaxed M1. That said, the Okto is a bargain that will never disappoint on its own. I'm very impressed with it.

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #5 on: 5 Jun 2024, 09:15 pm »
Any DACs in the $3K to $5K price range which any have actually heard which seriously beats the Okto in soundstage size, imaging, tonality and across most other parameters?

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #6 on: 6 Jun 2024, 01:25 pm »
I just replaced my Okto Dac 8 with a Audio Mirror Tubadour V ($7500).   I know above your range but the the Tubadour IV SE($4000) is reported as close to the V.

The Okto was my first stand alone Dac....replacing the dac in my Auralic Mini. Was impressed with the width added to the sound stage. Also the tonality seemed very real. I was very pleased. With this taste of what a Dac adds...I wanted to experiment with a Dac up the food chain...like you... wanted to stay under 5K. Researched and read and settled on the Tubadour IV. In the process of looking ran across a deal on the Tub V in my range....and bought it.

After a couple days to let it settle in....  the sound stage remained wide...but now it filled in completely adding  an ery amount of holographic imagery. The instruments are now more defined....with more air surrounding them.  A slight more warmth in  tonality but not lush. The sound seems to fill the large room I have much better. A definite upgrade. Could I have been happy with the Okto...absolutely....am I happy I upgraded...absolutely.

My system...Auralic mini...feeding AM Tub V....feeding modded and retubed Muzishare X7 integrated...driving Von Schweikert VR4jr euro mod.

My problem now is I am looking at the next weekest link...thinking the Mini needs to be replaced with an Auralic G2.1...then its the Muzishare...yikes WTF is there an end? Hopefully thats it. BTW I have been adding a few acoustic panels along the way.(wife permitting)

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Re: Help Understanding Okto DAC8 Stereo
« Reply #7 on: 6 Jun 2024, 08:14 pm »
Thanks for your very detailed reply. Very nice and impartial comparison between the Okto and your Audio Mirror DAC. No doubt the latter sounds fantastic, though perhaps at least part of the extra cost is due to the extra design work and labor to build a tube DAC.

Troy Crowe is building my new speakers, which except for the back loaded horn will resemble this. https://josephcrowe.com/products/speaker-system-no-2095 My sealed Altec 416-8B woofers and the same ES450 horn but with B&C DCM50 midrange and Troy's Fostex tweeter/lens combo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QiCzbUhkg&t=496s

System efficiency will be at least 93dbSPL/w/m. I can't afford a worthy 300B SET amp to drive them, but what I do have is the same preamp that Troy has been using for several years to test drivers and systems. http://www.dsachsconsulting.com/custom%20line%20stage.html  Don Sachs and Lynn Olson had later partnered to design these hugely unaffordable 300B p-p mono blocks. https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=185923.0 

They will drive Troy's OB speakers that he designed for Don. https://josephcrowe.com/products/open-baffle-speaker-no-1695
And they will drive Lynn's speakers that he and Troy designed; see Lynn’s woofer plans at his thread. https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/beyond-the-ariel.100392/page-767 My sealed Altec 416-8B cabinets are like Lynn’s though my cabinets are 1 cu ft smaller, so my plan is to remove a bit of the cabinets stuffing to gain some LF extension http://bondedlogic.com/pdf/denim-insulation/UltraTouch-Denim-Spec-Sheet.pdf  but also to add my Rythmik F12 subs.

But my first hunch is that my speakers will sound great driven by my First Watt J2 https://www.stereophile.com/content/first-watt-j2-power-amplifier That's because, as shown in JA's measurements, as long as the speakers' system impedance always remains far above 4 ohms (definitely my speakers) any distortion will be mostly 2nd harmonic.

Of course, there's long been lots of evidence that what many tube hardware owners tend to love is the 2nd harmonic distortion produced by those amps, so long as 3rd harmonic remains very low. However, if I'm somehow not wowed with the J2's sound I will put the Sachs preamp between it and the solid-state DAC (which??). Of course, if anything the preamp will add more 2nd harmonic, which may end up sounding either better, worse or about the same. What’s weird about the J2 is that while 2nd harmonic is dominant most users say that amp does not sound like tubes.https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/first-watt-j2-speaker-pairing

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/j2-first-watts-stereo-power-amplifier.1159482/
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-firstwatt-j2-is-the-perfect-amp.891992/

Hoping to report happy sounds with the J2, which I hope will outweigh the bad of its power draw and heat emissions.

But if I'm still not pleased then the last trick in my bag is the Sachs preamp feeding my First Watt F4. https://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/firstwatt6/f4.html Most of that amp’s distortion is apparently 3rd harmonic, but many have mixed feelings about its sound. But most tend to agree that when two F4s are configured as mono blocks sound quality zooms up. https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/the-f4-is-a-jewel-and-seems-underestimated.336597/ 

I do have two F4s but the power draw and heat emissions of these Class A amps preclude that option, plus the combined wpc would be total overkill for my speakers. That’s a shame because the additional of the Sachs preamp (which the F4s need anyway because that crazy amp has no voltage gain)
would no doubt make those mono blocks sound even better.

Looking forward to some exciting sounds.