Interconnect direction question

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Interconnect direction question
« on: 6 Jan 2021, 09:33 pm »
So I made some IC's for connecting my preamp to power amp.
One end of the cable has the shield connected to the negative. The other end does not have the shield connected.
For directional purposes which end would connect to the pre amp ?

Big Red Machine

Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #1 on: 6 Jan 2021, 09:37 pm »
You're trying to not transfer noise to the next item in the chain so typically the shield connection would be at the output side. YMMV

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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #2 on: 6 Jan 2021, 10:22 pm »
meaning the input to the power amp ?

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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #3 on: 7 Jan 2021, 12:04 am »
No.  The output of the preamp.

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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #4 on: 7 Jan 2021, 12:57 am »
Ground is the repository for noise. Ground circuit in audio gear is eventually connected to earth which supposedly has infinite ability to absorb electrical noise and provides a relatively quiet reference voltage.

Shield's purpose is to catch RF noise before it gets to the signal conductor. Normally you want the noise caught by the shield to go down the preamp's ground hole, not the amp's, to keep it one step further away from speakers. So you connect the shield to the preamp ground via the preamp's output jack.

But... there's always a but...  Preamps which handle the lowest level signals in the system usually have the best designed grounding circuits, but not every preamp designer is a master in the nuances of grounding, so it's possible that your amp's grounding design may be much better than the preamp's ground, and the cable may sound better with shield connected to amp's input jack. Like everything in high-end audio the dogma doesn't always deliver, so you have to try it both ways. Likely you won't hear a difference either way, and that's good! There's rarely any significant noise in residential setting so hopefully it won't matter anyway.

Big Red Machine

Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #5 on: 7 Jan 2021, 01:41 am »
You're trying to not transfer noise to the next item in the chain so typically the shield connection would be at the output side. YMMV
of the preamp, sorry, wasn't clear for you.

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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #6 on: 7 Jan 2021, 03:12 am »
So , here's a question for you.
My Pre amp is battery powered so not connected to a ground.
Does that make a difference ?


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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #7 on: 8 Jan 2021, 02:10 pm »
Ground is the repository for noise. Ground circuit in audio gear is eventually connected to earth which supposedly has infinite ability to absorb electrical noise and provides a relatively quiet reference voltage.

Shield's purpose is to catch RF noise before it gets to the signal conductor. Normally you want the noise caught by the shield to go down the preamp's ground hole, not the amp's, to keep it one step further away from speakers. So you connect the shield to the preamp ground via the preamp's output jack.
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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #8 on: 8 Jan 2021, 02:15 pm »
While the connectors at each end of a interconnect cable may be wired differently making the cable directional, the bulk cable itself is never directional.
If a shield is functioning only as a shield, that is not acting as a signal return, it should be connected at the powered send (output) end.
If the send end is un-powered (like a microphone) or battery powered the shield must be connected at both ends.

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Re: Interconnect direction question
« Reply #9 on: 8 Jan 2021, 05:10 pm »
So in my case with the Battery Pre, I should connect the shield at both ends ?

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« Reply #10 on: 9 Jan 2021, 02:49 pm »
If your pre-amp is battery powered, then yes the shield should be connected at both ends.