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... What is the difference,sound wise, when comparing a larger floorstander with a bookshelf and a subwoofer?...
I am interested in speakers primarily for music (mainly classic and hard rock). I do not care about home theater sound such as the explosions and dinosaurs walking around.
...Modern acousticians and studio professionals have walked away from the entire concept of full range speakers decades ago. Only marketing types who want to sell big slabs of veneer believe in them. Same IMO with vertical arrays or open baffles. Those professionals instead have embraced the use of active speakers (which work like a sub to connect one channel of amplification to each driver) for superior design, less space/cost, and far better dynamics, soundstage/imaging, flatter frequency response, and unbelievably deep/full bass without various "entertaining" colorations that home listeners lust for. ...
Modern acousticians and studio professionals have walked away from the entire concept of full range speakers decades ago. Only marketing types who want to sell big slabs of veneer believe in them. Same IMO with vertical arrays or open baffles. Those professionals instead have embraced the use of active speakers (which work like a sub to connect one channel of amplification to each driver) for superior design, less space/cost, and far better dynamics, soundstage/imaging, flatter frequency response, and unbelievably deep/full bass without various "entertaining" colorations that home listeners lust for.
Studio professionals and acousticians aren't necessarily audiophiles any more than a musician is. Who cares what they think? I'm far more interested in feedback from other audiophiles.
...For me, that's important because I listen to classical 80% of the time and I'm more interested in clearly hearing the cellos separate from the double basses when all hell is breaking loose in Mahler. Servo OB subs can do that, nothing else I've heard really can...
iu Modern acousticians and studio professionals that you reference are not really the best source of information that we should be consulting for our home listening environments and pleasure. They have an entirely different perspective on sound and listening environment than most of us here.So it's not surprising that you would eliminate vertical arrays and open baffles, because those just would not work in a studio environment. However, there is very good reason to believe that those would be excellent in a home environment and superior to conventional boxed speakers. I have Toole's book and have read it. But I have also read Linkwitz's research, and believe that what he has done is much closer to achieving musical enjoyment in the home environment. There are open baffle products now that are getting rave reviews from Spatial Audio, Pure Audio Project, and DIY offerings from Danny Richie's GR Research. I don't think it's helpful to many people here for you to keep pushing the professional oriented active speakers to the exclusion of other very well received options. Particularly open baffle and line arrays.
Tyson, if you don't mind I'd like to know more about what the rest of your system looks like. I also listen mainly to classical and some opera. Not many systems can really do Mahler well, so that's quite an achievement you've made.My next move is to try open baffle, but the specifics are not yet settled. Anything you might suggest would be appreciated. Thanks.
It's actually really hard for me to convey just how good it is to someone that's never heard it.
I'm curious what other speakers you are using with the GR Research OB subs, if you don't mind saying.
Linkwitz's work was self-serving. Toole's is well respected and has nothing to personally gain from his decades of research and testing. Arrays and dipoles produce a wall of sound versus discrete imaging which is the very premise for stereo. Professionals have been shown to have more discerning hearing than audiophiles which should come as no surprise as they work for a living producing the recordings we listen to versus sitting at home being entertained. Active speakers are superior to passives in terms of design, overall cost, size, and sound. Their downfall is that they don't support the big game hunter mentality of most audiophiles who want to continually add to their trophy collection of big, impressive looking stacks of gear.Have you ever done a direct comparison between passive and active? I have, 20 years ago. Paradigm Studio 20 v.2 versus Paradigm Active 20 (same drivers/cabinets). It was no contest. The Actives were way more dynamic, offered flatter frequency response, imaged much better, and had unbelievably deep/full bass. Of course you can always find good and bad examples of anything. Some say studio monitors tend to be dry and overly analytical, but good ones do nothing wrong and don't coat everything with various colorations. What are you listening to, the original performance or your speakers?
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