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rugy

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New to Audio Circle
« on: 5 Jan 2020, 05:27 pm »
Hello everyone.

My name is Mike and am happy to have been allowed to join Audio Circle.

Have been a music junkie since the early 70s, and build my own speaker boxes in shop in high school.
Stumbled on this site and did a lot of reading on speaker & subwoofer builds.
Looking to augment my present system with some lower octaves in my room.
My system is presently in my dedicated room that I build in 2001.
Room is 9' x 14'-6" x 21'-4". It is build with double 2x4 plates 1' space between plates and stagger studs.
All walls were insulated, front wall was skinned with 3/4 t&g plywood which was glued with PL Premium on all surfaces including the t&g as well.
Drywall in room was laminated with yellow synko drywall mud. This was applied using a V notch trowel. The four walls of the room are of different i thickness. This is so that none of the wall resonate at the same frequency.
Front drywall wall thickness 2 x 5/8", back wall 5/8", left wall 2x 1/2" right wall 1/2"& 5/8".
Ran 18 dedicated electrical lines of 10 gauge for the 15 & 20 amp plugs and 2 lines for the 240V 60amp for my then amplifiers.
Door is solid core with a mechanical door sweep so that when door is closed the bottom sweep lowers.
Have sound treatments in the room along with AC which when on is very quiet. Measured in room with AC on is 25db.

Learned to be a cabinet maker and due to severe allergies went out of shop to do site work. This morphed into me being hired to work for a local builder. Went on my own in 94 and have been building homes and commercial project since then.

Looking forward to learning and building a subwoofer.


Wind Chaser

Re: New to Audio Circle
« Reply #1 on: 5 Jan 2020, 07:17 pm »
Hey Mike,

Welcome to Audio Circle!  :thumb:

dB Cooper

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« Reply #2 on: 5 Jan 2020, 09:00 pm »
Sounds like you will be a great resource to builders of all stripes here (rooms and enclosures especially.) Not everybody can go to the lengths you have, but you obviously recognize the critical importance of getting the room right. Welcome.

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Re: New to Audio Circle
« Reply #3 on: 5 Jan 2020, 09:47 pm »
Welcome to the AC!

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« Reply #4 on: 5 Jan 2020, 10:36 pm »
Welcome Mike :thumb:

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Jan 2020, 12:14 am »
Awesome bio, rugy!  Welcome to AC.

Michael

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« Reply #6 on: 6 Jan 2020, 04:23 am »
Greetings & Welcome to AC Mike   :thumb:

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« Reply #7 on: 6 Jan 2020, 11:54 am »
Welcome!

I have a similarly sized/shaped room, not so elaborately built, nice!  I tell others that the point of the insulation is to lower the noise floor so a greater dynamic range can be enjoyed.  Also have treatments (10 GIK 244 panels plus 3 randomly filled bookcases). 

Recommend reading Floyd Toole's "Sound Reproduction" 3rd edition to gain an understanding of how speakers behave in-room.  It is the seminal work for audiophiles.  Most importantly for you is the importance of distributed bass (3 or 4 subs, placed in the corners) to help control the 20+ dB bass peaks/dips that are inherent to residentially sized rooms.  Currently use (3) 10" subs in such a setup.  Other resources that promote a "swarm" of subwoofers are Earl Geddes (retired acoustician) and Duke LeJeune (owner of Audio Kinesis here at Audio Circle).  Toole worked for the Canadian Research Council (promoted Canadian audio) for decades before retiring from Harmon International (home of Revel, JBL, etc.) and is very well respected.

As far as subwoofer design, most audiophiles prefer sealed over ported designs as faster with less overhang.  Had transmission line (TL) bass 40 years ago - fantastic (deep, strong, very musical) but they were passive (8" woofer in 6 cu. ft. cabinets I built) and as such were too powerful for any room I'd ever be able to afford.  Sounded magnificent in a 20,000 cu. ft. 160 seat chapel driven by a 20 wpc NAD 3020.  Currently own floor standing TL main speakers that use a single (remarkable) driver ala Martin King's MathCAD application.  Suggest learning it and searching for appropriate 6" woofers.  Don't know what size the cabinet would be, but guess around 3 cu. ft.  With 3 or 4 subs reaching deep, not ultimate output would be the goal.

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« Reply #8 on: 6 Jan 2020, 12:59 pm »
Hi all.  My name is Ryan I’m from central Iowa. I just posted a long reply in the gr research thread and I’m posting here to up my post count so I can continue to use this awsome site lol. Please check out my post

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« Reply #9 on: 6 Jan 2020, 03:15 pm »
Welcome to the AC, Mike. 

Your experience as a cabinet builder opens up all kinds of possibilities with speaker designs.  There's no DIY circle here (yet), but I've posted some speaker builds in the planar circle.  The DIY Audio Forum is a great resource for speaker builders.  And I have a website dedicated to DIY electrostatic speakers and Ripol subs here:
http://jazzman-esl-page.blogspot.com/

Enjoy the AC!
Charlie     

Phil A

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« Reply #10 on: 6 Jan 2020, 04:12 pm »
Welcome to AC!

rugy

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« Reply #11 on: 7 Jan 2020, 02:37 am »
Hello all and thank you all for the warm welcome.

My opinion, get the room right and you aren't fighting things forever.
Yes I'm lucky to have a room this size.

My speakers are Apogee Divas.
The sub's that peak my interest me are dipole type in a H frame configuration.
Two friends of mine have towers of subwoofers with their main speakers.
One being a Genesis IRS 1.2 and the other is an Evolution MM7, way out of my league $$$$$$
But what sound and bass.......did I mention bass.
So interested in two towers, consisting of 3 or 4 x12" drivers with the servo amp.

Build my room, clients & sound rooms for some local Stereo Stores using Floyds ratio and thinking/findings. Being a fellow Canuck have read some of early stuff in the 80s and 90s through the Canadian National Research Council. But not since then. Time to catch up and thanks for the note.

Building an electrostatic Charlie is really quite an undertaking. Had some Acoustat III back in the 80s and early 90s.
Will check out your link, thank you.

Have read about the swarm subwoofer but haven't had a chance to hear it in person/
Many benefits but a lot of boxes. Anyone in the Vancouver BC area have one ?

NAD 3020, still use one up at our cottage.

Thanks again for the welcome.