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Most room can't even support a single piano at full bore! Then there's the idea that you can fully replicate the acoustic wave of said orchestra coming out of a couple of relatively tiny apertures. Such a wave is so distorted that it's actually a miracle that it's recognizable.
And yet the music is not only easily recognizable on a system, but on a truly excellent system the instruments sound uncanny accurate to the real thing, such as piano, violin, banjo, french horn, clarinet etc. It can be done. cheerssteve
And here goes another myth.... The idea that you can fit the acoustic output of a 60 person plus orchestra into a typical residential room at full tilt is inane. Most room can't even support a single piano at full bore! Then there's the idea that you can fully replicate the acoustic wave of said orchestra coming out of a couple of relatively tiny apertures. Such a wave is so distorted that it's actually a miracle that it's recognizable. And yes, with a 100 dB sensitivity speaker, 35 watts would work just fine in most rooms.
Yes, IMO on a good system you may get close and recognizable but it can't be done. The hifi "system" is not a piano, not a banjo, not a french horn etc. in your room. So that basic logic says it can't be done.
AR used to do the same thing, demonstrating how their system provided playback (on a mid fifties tape system lacking even NR) 'indistinguishable' from the live sound.
...and Edison did the same in 1918:http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-live-versus-recorded-listening.html
In the AR tests, they put the speakers on stage in an auditorium. Hardly a domestic situation. What room did the Klipsch test use? Brian Cheney did similar tests, but again, look at the room size.
Kind of like trying to tell an Elvis impressionist from the real thing at 50 yards. We listen to music in small venues up-close and low-level.
Exactly my original point. Therefore you don't need 600 watts to attempt to get "realistic concert levels" of a Mahler symphony in a domestic setting. The majority of domestic rooms cannot support the energy of a full tilt orchestra. Therefore you miniaturize the scale and level. My original statement holds.
There is a misunderstanding. The statement was in reference to the previous post with a single 6" driver. If one has speakers specifically designed for a full frequency that are very efficient, then of course the full frequency spectrum can be achieved with a low powered SET amp. Those are very rare and very expensive. A 600W monoblock does not say much, outside of the fact it's got lots of power. A pair of Devialet Expert Pro amps (in mono) will in all probability sound better than the vast majority of systems put together, regardless of price. And, it Won't run out of power when playing back a Mahler Symphony at realistic concert hall levels. (Not sure 35 watts will be able to achieve that).
Let's all agree that our beloved hobby will never get to the point that a home domestic playback system will be able to sound exactly the same as a live concert hall. Now, having said that, one can get pretty close if the room size is adequate, sufficient power is provided to the speakers, and the speakers can reproduce the full frequency spectrum. Digital Signal Processing (DSP) has changed the game significantly regarding the ability to reproduce recordings. The Devialet Expert/Expert Pro employ extensive DSP and SHARC technology, which allows for the units to provide near unparalleled sound quality with some of the best measurements in the industry. Until you hear one, it's hard to quantify just how much of an difference (improvement) provided by this approach to playback electronics. This goes well above using "better parts" (but I do agree for analog amps better parts do help).
Hey! Well, that would be me isn't it? Believe it or not my 6" Fostex in my back horn loaded in my room with room load do go down to about lower to mid 30's. No I didn't use any calibrated measuring equipment but by using Rat Shack and test CD and of course my own ears. This actually surprised many people you have heard my system. True that it is not a flat respond or down to 20hz. But do I feel like I'm missing out much if anything? Not really. Of all my years being into audio stuffs. I have heard so many systems, both at all those audio shows I've attended and more importantly thanks to the disbanded NYAR group many meeting back in the days, many systems in actual home setting. And that really make me realized that high wattage, big speaker, expensive system mean nothing to me if it can't reproduce the emotional of the music itself. Every system have strengths and weakness, and it is all depend what you value most when you listen to music. And my system strengths outweighed the weaknesses for me and this let me enjoy the music in an intimate way... well, at least for me. Anyway, I noticed that you have mentioned and praised the Devialet amp and your flat down to 20hz speaker many times in this post and another that you have started about your Devialet amp... Well, congratulation that you found the best high power amps with speakers that's flat down to 20hz. OK, I'm going to leave this post now and go spend time enjoying musics on obsolete vinyl LPs play on 1972 turntable and my low power SET amps that measure like crap with 6" driver speakers that can't do a flat 20-20k. Cheer! Buddy
OK, let's move on. Found this link regarding audio myths:http://sound.whsites.net/articles/myths.htmlSo have a read and let folks know what you think!
