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I'd like answers... Yes or no: Do you own a pair?Have you ever owned a pair?Have you ever even listened to a pair? I'm not saying they are perfect, or the best headphones on the market at any price, but these headphones have been in production for over 13 years, quite an achievement for any tech product, especially in the "wonderful today, trash tomorrow" fickle world of audiophilia. They must be doing something right. They are still competitive at their price point in my opinion (which is based on extensive listening experience). It's still only an opinion, but I do have actual experience with this and competing products.What is the basis for this blanket, categorical pronouncement? There are some cosmetic differences along with the different cable, but I agree with the OP: These are competitive at their market price and a flat-out steal at $199. If the 'veil' bothers you (it seems to be 'voiced' for digitally mastered studio recordings, which sound 'sizzly' on many cans- to me), a little EQ makes that disappear, and you gotta spend quite a bit more to definitively beat the smooth high end the 650's deliver.
I would say the Sennheiser HD600/650/6xx are still one of the better deals in the headphone world right now. Years ago they were part of the "top three" along with the Beyerdynamic DT880-600 and the AKG K600 (supplanted now by the K7##). All three however did require some good amping behind them, without which they would sound wimpy and veiled.Unfortunately, while headphones have made huge strides into mainstream acceptance, their technical developments have not flourished quite as much. The performance of the Sennheisers from a distortion and frequency response standpoint are still very very good by today's standards at that price point. I have gone through perhaps more headphones here than anyone else with the exception of Dale Thorne, and I keep coming back to the HD650 as a reference.
I'll take your comments to heart. Besides you are the only I know of here on AC who has heard Christiansen's HP-1 so obviously you have discriminating taste Best,Anand.