Best Preamp Ever?

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« Reply #1 on: 6 Dec 2004, 02:25 am »
Great review.  Look forward to not seeing it at CES.

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« Reply #2 on: 6 Dec 2004, 03:49 am »
Hi Guys,

Although meant as a joke, there is one major factor that I think needs to be considered, but is never mentioned. :D

This factor is that the gain stage (that is not in the passive controller) is, in many cases, "installed" in the amplifier or source. Afterall, the gain has to come from somewhere. Let's look at the amp.
 
Many amp companies have an extra gain stage to get the sensitivity of the amp to the point where a direct connection can be made from the source (thru the passive of course). Some call themselves integrated.

My question is what is the quality of that first gain stage in the amp? This first gain stage could cause a great deal of sonic degradation itself, being worst than the preamp's stage of amplification. We really don't know.

From all the schematics I have seen, and testing I have done over the years, the amps 1st stage is rarely, if ever, designed as well as an excellent preamp's stage. It is a less expensive way to go for relatively good sound on a limited budget.

What if we exchanged the first stage of the amplifier (and passive controller) with the active preamp's gain stage (with it's own volume control)? The preamp's gain stage could make the amp/system to sound even better than when the amp's first gain stage is connected. Of course, the system might sound worse because it was better quality and Not Compensating as the "first stage" of the amp was designed to (for the rest of the amp). (Maybe a good case for matching preamps to amps from the same company.)  

IC problems? Well, yes. Great care must be taken if this isn't to be an issue.

Of course,  the preamplifier could sound worse, and many do when poorly designed and/or with low quality parts. But one cannot tell until one does some extensive testing.

There are other, more technical problems too.

Hope this doesn't sound teachy. Just thought it might be an opportune opening to help in understanding in an area where not much is mentioned, especially overseas at other chat sites.

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Dec 2004, 04:37 am »
The manufacturer plans a "silent" display at the Show.

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Dec 2004, 07:31 pm »
:lol: That is pretty good Brian.

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Dec 2004, 09:11 pm »
Moved to the 2 channel circle for 2 reasons - 1, it's a satire, and 2, it is just a link to another site.....

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« Reply #6 on: 6 Dec 2004, 10:55 pm »
That's a good post B.  I tend to agree with you for the most part.  I've heard one preamp that I liked better than passive.  It is a very obscure Teknik Avant Garde Model One, which retailed for $16,000.  

Every time I heard that TAG, I just found myself hypnotized to the point where I would pass the convenience stores on the way home, and my hand would instinctively reach for my pistol.  My subconcious really wanted me to have that, but thank goodness I only walked out with a coke, and maybe a pack of crackers.   :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: 8 Dec 2004, 07:55 pm »
WOW!!!

I didn't know that Big B, even knew of the new "Know" gear.

I have recently tried the "Gnu" Know model, which by definition is the proverbial "Straight Wire withOUT gain".  In fact, it also has cast aside attenuation to offer the most pure, transparent, detailed, sonic accuracy I have ever heard PERIOD.  It's like hearing "nothing" added to the music at all.

Bass, Dynamics, SOundstage. Imaging and just about every musical criteria is well beyond anything I have ever heard before.  I think the purity of the sonic is beyond description.

Who knew, that the New Gnu Know would help us know what Know (and those in the know) knew all along.  So be in the know, and know the new Gnu Know now.

The real joke, is that aside from the name game, I'm dead serious :o

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« Reply #8 on: 8 Dec 2004, 08:23 pm »
Want purity?  Check out Know amps!

No noise. None.  

Zero.


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« Reply #9 on: 8 Dec 2004, 09:19 pm »
personally, i have always favored the tubed iteration of the Any preamp...   :wink:  

one of this forums' esteemed modders solders in a different resistor between his source & amp whenever he wants to change the wolume - that's hardcore, imo!   :mrgreen:

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