[Folsom]

Anybody familiar with Joel Salatin and Polyface Farms? Buddy of mine has always wanted to get out of the city and live a little more self sustained life and came across this guy and his farming techniques. Don't know how he grows his crops but the "strategic disturbance" method sounds interesting. Website says beyond organic, whatever that means...

http://www.polyfacefarms.com/

They mean USDA organic stipulations are not standards of quality - just standards that encourage pushing out small farmers.

If you watched him in a documentary they talk about cleaning chickens outside. Due to laws they are not suppose to do that for certain qualification. And yet how clean the chicken product produced was above and beyond the typical in-door place that struggles to keep their product acceptable.

Back to the topic. Don't be fooled, GMO's could be very dangerous. The reality is they are not yet. As I said it only takes a few moved proteins to ruin food for people. Do tomatoes give you heart burn? What if they add that protein to Apples and it ends up in all of them, so you can never comfortably eat apples? Are you deathly allergic to say pine nuts (my mother is)? What if they put that protein in wheat or rice?

[werd]

They mean USDA organic stipulations are not standards of quality - just standards that encourage pushing out small farmers.

If you watched him in a documentary they talk about cleaning chickens outside. Due to laws they are not suppose to do that for certain qualification. And yet how clean the chicken product produced was above and beyond the typical in-door place that struggles to keep their product acceptable.

Back to the topic. Don't be fooled, GMO's could be very dangerous. The reality is they are not yet. As I said it only takes a few moved proteins to ruin food for people. Do tomatoes give you heart burn? What if they add that protein to Apples and it ends up in all of them, so you can never comfortably eat apples? Are you deathly allergic to say pine nuts (my mother is)? What if they put that protein in wheat or rice?

I agree, "GMOs safe"  is a compartmentalized statement. The pro GMO advocates push GMO safety on data they have on current products. They try and make you think that the data they have now is a reflection of all GMOs including any future alterations. They do that with out any consideration that their Flag Ship company has a history of immoral and unethical behavior protecting their investments. Monsanto will lie about any defect in their GMOs. You can take that to the bank.  I do agree Monsanto will not do this on purpose but they will not own up to and continue to sell it to protect their interests. This company needs to fail and get out of the way Monsanto.

[OzarkTom]

Back to the topic. Don't be fooled, GMO's could be very dangerous. The reality is they are not yet.

Not yet Folsum? So you will eat GMO's sprayed with rouddup, will you also eat GMO's  sprayed with Agent Orange? That is happening now.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25946

[werd]

Not yet Folsum? So you will eat GMO's sprayed with rouddup, will you also eat GMO's  sprayed with Agent Orange? That is happening now.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25946

The irony, they can solve the super weed problem by crop rotation and strategic use of chemical and eventually it will resolve itself. This is all about large mono culture farming of canola, sugar and corn. Pure profit driven remedies.

[Photon46]

The choice for consumers isn't always simple. Look at one major food crop, sugar beets. The choice consumer's have had to this point hasn't been between organically raised beet sugar or GMO glyphosphate treated product, it's between non GMO sugar beets that use an even worse than Round-Up regimen of pesticide application and GMO sugar beets. I'm the last person to be an apologist or defender of Monsanto's corporate behavior, but the science on the subject of this particular crop's management doesn't convince me that the non GMO alternative is any better. The subject of whether we consume too much industrially farmed beet sugar is a different topic and argument. Like Werd mentions, better agriculture techniques would eliminate much of the need to make these choices. However, we as a society have made the decision to embrace cheap, industrially produced food products. As has been often quoted, too bad we can't get subsidies on broccoli instead of corn, wheat, sugar, etc. Eating well costs a small fortune and it's a goal beyond the means of too many people.

Summary of a U.K study on ecological consequences of glyphosphate vs. traditional weed control programs in sugar beet agriculture: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1634958/

Short story that that ran on NPR about the subject: http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/12/477793556/as-big-candy-ditches-gmos-sugar-beet-farmers-hit-sour-patch

[Folsom]

I don't like eating food sprayed with things, that doesn't make me in opposition to GMO. Most GMO foods are sprayed, but that's not the point. They don't have to be.

[werd]

Folsom you gotta know the answer to that is simply washing your food good?

 Lab GMOs are designed around corporate farming of huge mono culture crops. They give high yields with lower costs in labor.  It's pure robotic farming.

[JerryM]

Not yet Folsum? So you will eat GMO's sprayed with rouddup, will you also eat GMO's  sprayed with Agent Orange? That is happening now.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25946

Good grief... Do you really believe that Agent Orange is being used? Really?

Please, read a bit more. https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/registration-enlist-duo

[werd]

The funny thing is Round- up is the safest of them all. The industrial use of round up by farmers who have been exposed by mouth is Dilute!  Dilute!

That agent orange stuff by Dow. Exposure to it requires immediate hospitalization. Like its fucken panic.

Anyone interest in knowing "WTF is that shit they're spraying?" here is a good way of using Google.

Type this

Manufacture name/chemical/ container label. (Container label is very important or else you get the manufacture bullshit on it.

So for this new Agent Orange

Dow/2.4-D/container label      <--- have fun

[OzarkTom]

The superweeds that is glysophate resistnat is causing a lot of problems with the farmers, so they are spraying more and more dangerous chemicals for weed control. Glysophate may be safe, but there are adjutants in the chemical that is 100 times more dangerous.

Here is a video of a Monsanto man refusing to drink a glass of roundup after saying it was safe to drink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfJ4VwHIqw

[werd]

The superweeds that is glysophate resistnat is causing a lot of problems with the farmers, so they are spraying more and more dangerous chemicals for weed control. Glysophate may be safe, but there are adjutants in the chemical that is 100 times more dangerous.

Here is a video of a Monsanto man refusing to drink a glass of roundup after saying it was safe to drink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfJ4VwHIqw

Yup, you see how the hyperbole they use can blow up in their face. You can't drink it. The container label. Not that stuff they sell in the store. (You can probably drink that  ) the warning sign on the label is corrosive


It's exactly the kind of B.S. they are pushing. How do you believe them?

[werd]

What I find interesting is what is happening to Lake Winnipeg. Lake Winnipeg is badly polluted. It's full of algae. Lately up until 2013 southern Manitoba was getting serious flooding the worst in 2013. Farmers fields were literally ending up in the Red and Assiniboine Rivers. Flowing into lake Winnipeg then halting since the dam projects were stopping the natural filtration of moving water.

There is no toxicology reports of lake Winnipeg. Well they are there but unreleased. I can't find them on any Gov website. Only strategies for algae cleanup. There is a huge amount of data in Lake Winnipeg as to what roundup is doing.

This has got to be Monsanto's worst nightmare. The lake is the most shallow lake in the world or ranks right up there. The lake at its deepest is only about 15 fifteen feet. It's easily accessible right to the bottom of the lake by anyone with zero budget. Is so shallow that things will just end up at the bottom fast especially if the the northern side sees huge damming for electricity.  About the worst lake to have under a microscope if you are trying to hide pollution.  The lake was bombarded with tons of farming chemicals for years on end. About 5 years for severe annual flooding and the natural run off that has been going on for years.

[werd]

Here is the link to the organization that got me looking for toxicology reports on lake Winnipeg.
Go to the bottom and read contaminants.

http://www.lakewinnipegresearch.org/aboutscience.html

[OzarkTom]

Here is the link to the organization that got me looking for toxicology reports on lake Winnipeg.
Go to the bottom and read contaminants.

http://www.lakewinnipegresearch.org/aboutscience.html

Have you seen Lake Erie's algae problems?

http://lakeeriealgae.com/

[FullRangeMan]

A plane view of Lake Erie:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0mFfrU46s

[werd]

Environment Canada has set up initiates for the cleanup of the Canada's lakes. I think the worst is lake Winnipeg though.

[Folsom]

Folsom you gotta know the answer to that is simply washing your food good?

 Lab GMOs are designed around corporate farming of huge mono culture crops. They give high yields with lower costs in labor.  It's pure robotic farming.

That's not true the world over. Check out golden rice. It's mostly used in the worst ways, that's true.

Washing food isn't good typically, for all the chemicals. I won't eat non-organic apples because they all taste weird to me like medicine.

[OzarkTom]

Water alone will not clean food, but this will.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COo56pnPkB8

[werd]

That's not true the world over. Check out golden rice. It's mostly used in the worst ways, that's true.

Washing food isn't good typically, for all the chemicals. I won't eat non-organic apples because they all taste weird to me like medicine.

I was referring to cleaning off any residual Herbicide that was on there. 

[OzarkTom]

Led by an 18 year old Amish farmer, no pesticides.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/10/the-amish-farmer-replacing-pesticides-with-nutrition/380825/