[restrav]

or both?

gold plated ofc copper

to construct a speaKer cable with bananas and teflon tubing, some heatshrink, and a fancy braid for cover. i reckong it will end up costing like 150? ....

[sebrof]

Looks a lot like what Anti Cables use on some of their RCA interconnects

http://anticables.com/

[restrav]

Looks a lot like what Anti Cables use on some of their RCA interconnects

http://anticables.com/

I dont see that anti cable alk about their interconnects being gold plated!

[restrav]

im thinking of buying that wire and use it with these plugs:

http://www.tl-audio.com/rhodium-plated-advance-hi-fi-speaker-cable-plug-audio-banana-connectors.html

[Big Red Machine]

Been there. Tried that. Failed to impress. Moved on.

Buy these and get much more impact. Almost bought them for a back-up pair myself.

http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649275073-morrow-audio-ma3s/

[JLM]

Check out audioholics audio interconnect and speaker cable myths for good basic advice as to what design parameters are important.  Quality interconnects such as Blue Jean Cables can be had for under $50/pair.  Proper designs should all sound the same, others are simply filtering the sound.

Unfortunately the cable market is overflowing with snake oil.  Few vendors cover all the pertinent parameters or measurements while pushing pet theories.  Can the audio press play right along.  Note that the power of suggestion sells most high-end gear, especially cables. 

[S Clark]

... Quality interconnects such as Blue Jean Cables can be had for under $50/pair.  Proper designs should all sound the same...

Unfortunately the cable market is overflowing with snake oil. 

Well, you aren't going to agree with everyone.  I'll agree that there is some snake oil, but I'm not sure about overflowing.  Everything else, I disagree with- even catagorizing Blue Jeans as quality interconnects (I think they're lifeless, and yes I own a pair).  Heck, my interconnects don't even react the same moving from one room system to the next or from source to pre or pre to amp.
Like BRM said, buy the Morrow's for $100.

[Guy 13]

Check out audioholics audio interconnect and speaker cable myths for good basic advice as to what design parameters are important.  Quality interconnects such as Blue Jean Cables can be had for under $50/pair.  Proper designs should all sound the same, others are simply filtering the sound.

Unfortunately the cable market is overflowing with snake oil.  Few vendors cover all the pertinent parameters or measurements while pushing pet theories.  Can the audio press play right along.  Note that the power of suggestion sells most high-end gear, especially cables.

 

[Devil Doc]

Well, you aren't going to agree with everyone.  I'll agree that there is some snake oil, but I'm not sure about overflowing.  Everything else, I disagree with- even catagorizing Blue Jeans as quality interconnects (I think they're lifeless, and yes I own a pair).  Heck, my interconnects don't even react the same moving from one room system to the next or from source to pre or pre to amp.
Like BRM said, buy the Morrow's for $100.

With all due respect, when it comes to wire, lifeless is good. If wire is adding or subtracting something, there's something wrong with your wire.  Just my opinion, of course, but I'll stick with it.
 
Doc

[S Clark]

With all due respect, when it comes to wire, lifeless is good. If wire is adding or subtracting something, there's something wrong with your wire.  Just my opinion, of course, but I'll stick with it.
 
Doc

But what if the lifeless sound is the poor cable subtracting information?

[Nick B]

Wires, wires and more wires.... I've never owned Blue Jeans, so I can't comment. I will tell you I've auditioned Zen Audio cables and they are outstanding. Then again, I do have a very capable and revealing system. I have been fortunate enough to be friends with a Las Vegas audiophile and wire manufacturer. Gary does it for fun. His stuff is excellent... In My System.  The pricing is very reasonable. I will only say that he uses solid core and unusual gauge wires. I've auditioned a number of his cables and love  the results. If you want to try something Dadbeh, pm me and I'll see if Gary will do that for you. Otherwise,  all the best in your pursuit.
Nick

[restrav]

Wires, wires and more wires.... I've never owned Blue Jeans, so I can't comment. I will tell you I've auditioned Zen Audio cables and they are outstanding. Then again, I do have a very capable and revealing system. I have been fortunate enough to be friends with a Las Vegas audiophile and wire manufacturer. Gary does it for fun. His stuff is excellent... In My System.  The pricing is very reasonable. I will only say that he uses solid core and unusual gauge wires. I've auditioned a number of his cables and love  the results. If you want to try something Dadbeh, pm me and I'll see if Gary will do that for you. Otherwise,  all the best in your pursuit.
Nick

do you mean zenwave audio?

[Devil Doc]

But what if the lifeless sound is the poor cable subtracting information?

I don't have an answer for your question. All I know is, I use the same wire the engineer probably used to make the recording. I don't think one can do better than that.

Doc

[restrav]

Well, you aren't going to agree with everyone.  I'll agree that there is some snake oil, but I'm not sure about overflowing.  Everything else, I disagree with- even catagorizing Blue Jeans as quality interconnects (I think they're lifeless, and yes I own a pair).  Heck, my interconnects don't even react the same moving from one room system to the next or from source to pre or pre to amp.
Like BRM said, buy the Morrow's for $100.

well i would say it is overflowing too. a lot of major ultra expensive audio jewelry maker has been exposed for fake advertisement.
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?16735-Entreq-USB-Cable-Exposed/page3

Transparent's $3000 cable turned out to be 10 buck ebay copper and the magical brick an actually brick

the Scandinavian professor in Entreq was exposed for his 2 dollar usb cable that he sold for 900 with a cotton sleeve.


MIT cable also sells people cheap copper with an ugly plastic box that they count of people not opening exactly because of how expensive it is.


I also owned a 3600 dollar speaker cable for 2 years.

that goes for components too, remeber Goldmund selling a 40$ pioneer DVD drive  for 5000 dollars in a big empty aluminum chassis.

crap is definitely overflowing

[Nick B]

I don't have an answer for your question. All I know is, I use the same wire the engineer probably used to make the recording. I don't think one can do better than that.

Doc

Yes, DaveC113 here on AC

[S Clark]

All I can say for sure, is that I can detect differences in interconnects in my system.  Whether those differences are actually improvements is a harder question for me.  If they don't make a difference in your system, don't buy them.   My best- and final- advice on this topic is don't buy anything that you can't put in your system and send back if you don't like what you hear.  If the Morrow's are still available when I get back from a few days away, I think I'll buy them.  I've heard them before and liked them. 

[Devil Doc]

One of us is blessed, and I have no idea which one of us it is. As long as we're both happy is all that matters.

Doc

[restrav]

Been there. Tried that. Failed to impress. Moved on.

Buy these and get much more impact. Almost bought them for a back-up pair myself.

http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649275073-morrow-audio-ma3s/

I wasnt speaker cable not interconnect. I am very happy with my UPOCC triple shielded neotech interconnects NEI-3005. I think they are great.

[JLM]

I have a $7000 system in a dedicated room and been into stereo/audio for 40+ years.

Last year compared 9 different USB cheap to average cost cables.  3 didn't play (in my left MacBook Air port or were too filtered??).  Except for Cardas (which sounded best out of the box) the other 6 were close enough to be system dependent, including a $3 Blue Jean Cable.

This year compared 11 different cheap to average cost interconnects that included 6 I had lying around, I borrowed the rest.  3 simply didn't satisfactorily reproduce highs (I'm 59 years old): patch cord; old/cheap Signal Cable; and Kimber PBJ.  2 pair were "directional".  Very old MIT and Electra Cables did very poorly.  The best were my old cottage industry 'Nordost killers' (one pair RCA/RCA, the other XLR/RCA) but the others (Audio Quest Diamondbacks, Morrow Audio MA-1 and couple costing just $20/pair) should not be dismissed out of hand. 

Each had an 8 hour warm up.  Played the same short cuts from 36 different artists/songs that represent the jazz, pop, classical music I like and rated each song/cable with an enjoyment factor based on short notes taken. 

As my speaker cables are captive (wired directly to my extended range drivers) I haven't been able to do any comparisons.  But over the years have tried everything from zip cord to single cryo'd CAT 5.  Lately I've been using more 'Nordost killers' from the same cottage as above.


99% of recording studios use XLR cables (no speaker cables) that are self shielding and are judged solely by durability.  XLR are cheap and almost generic (a commodity).  The professionals give no thought to the sonics of XLR cables.

[bacobits1]

A contentious subject. You just don't know until you hear any of it in your system.
Gold plated absolutely not necessary. I was using a complete system of Wywires silver series.
The last year has been Beden 8402 interconnects and Western Electric 16ga almost unobtainable now.
But you can get the 14 ga 12 ga I seen some out there. hell the 16ga is appliance wire from the 70's go figure? The 8402 was and is still used in studios. Total for the WE 16ga and the Belden was like $150.
the sound is superb!

Mogami interconnects is very nice too. They will suprise you as well as the 8402

Someone mentioned Decware wires Steve uses this Milspec wire M22759/1189S and swears by it. Worth a look Steve knows his stuff. He sells it for $450 finished you can make for probably 1.90/ft. Search it out.

I like the couple pairs of Neotech IC's I have had here.
Tried the lowest end Morrow IC's and did not care for them
Belden 1694 (same as Bluejeans) were very veiled and lifeless
Kimber 8TC SC were veiled too. AND I had used them for years.

You are gong to get as many answers here as there are people posting on your question. No easy answer.

Try and listen is the best advise.
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