need help with tagging

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Nick B

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need help with tagging
« on: 17 Apr 2016, 10:43 pm »
My current setup is a mess. Lots of tagging errors from Media Monkey which didn't work properly on the many unusual discs that I have. I show the same CD multiple times with 1 or 2 songs and other times with more and another with all the songs. Some are completely wrong. How can I go about fixing this? Right now I'm seeing this in iPeng on my iPad. But I just bought an Auralic Aries Mini and I presume it will show up the same way. I originally had the tagging done years ago by a guy named Tim here on AC. My use of Media Monkey was to correct some of his errors and to get artwork.

Also, some time ago I thought I had bookmatked some tagging software that searched multiple sites for the information and also sought out the best sites for the highest resolution artwork. Anyone have an idea what that site might be?

Thanks,
Nick

andy_c

Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #1 on: 19 Apr 2016, 12:04 am »
It's best to use your tagging software to manually check the album tags and fix as necessary, rather than depending on the tags being auto-generated correctly.  I use MP3Tag for tagging, which is not limited to MP3, but works on FLAC and many other file types.  I use it in combination with Album Art Downloader to retrieve high-quality album art.  They can be configured to work together using the procedure below, which is a post of mine from another forum.  This procedure assumes that MP3Tag and Album Art Downloader have already been installed, and that each physical CD has been ripped to a separate folder, even 2-CD sets.  In the latter case, the album titles might be e.g. "Live Dead (Disc 1)" and "Live Dead (Disc 2)", and each would be in a separate folder.  The procedure also assumes that prior to launching Album Art Downloader from MP3Tag, you've used MP3Tag to at least get the artist and album name right in the tags.  What happens is that MP3Tag will grab the artist and album name from the tags and automatically pass them along to Album Art Downloader when it launches it.  This is done via the "parameter" fields described below.

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In MP3Tag, choose Tools, Options, and navigate to the Tools selection in the tree control of the Options dialog. In the Tools pane on the right, click "New" to create a new tool. You'll get a dialog with three things to enter: a name, which I call "Launch Album Art Downloader", a path, to which I navigate to AlbumArt.exe with the browse button, and a parameter. My parameter field looks like this:

"%artist%" "%album%" "%_folderpath%%album%.jpg"

This parameter specifies that Album Art Downloader be launched, automatically providing the artist and album name in the appropriate fields. In this case, the artwork for the album e.g. "Rubber Soul" will be downloaded to:

(directory containing Rubber Soul music files)\Rubber Soul.jpg

If you want the file to always be named, say, folder.jpg, the parameter field would look like:

"%artist%" "%album%" "%_folderpath%folder.jpg"

If using the first method above (that is, not using folder.jpg as the file name), it's important that the album name in your tags not include characters that are illegal in file names such as ":", "/", "\" and so on. A file name will still be generated that removes the illegal characters, but depending on how you configure your music player software, it may not recognize the file as the album's artwork due to the lack of match with the album title.

After entering these fields, click OK. You'll see a checkbox labeled "Use special program at double clicks". Check it, then in the combo box, choose the "Launch Album Art Downloader" name you created earlier.

Here's how the whole thing works. In Windows Explorer, right-click the directory containing the album you want artwork for, and choose "MP3Tag". This will open up MP3Tag with the music files from that folder. Then, just double-click any one of the song files of the album you want the artwork for, and that will launch Album Art Downloader with the correct parameters for the album and artist, assuming your tags are right. In Album Art Downloader, click the "options" link, which expands the form to show more options. Choose "size" in the "Group by" and "Sort by" fields. This will group the artwork so you can always get the best quality, or something close to your desired resolution. These options are persistent, so you only need to do this once.

Album Art Downloader searches a very large collection of sources for an amazing choice of graphics. For some of these, they will show in the "Unknown" size group. If you recognize an album cover in the "Unknown" size group as being correct, press and hold the left mouse button on it. This will download the file to a temporary, and it will then compute its size and correctly put it in the appropriate size group. I've gotten a lot of "best artwork found" results using the latter technique. When you find the graphic you want, just double-click it, and the file will be saved in the correct directory, with the name according to the naming convention you established in the parameter field discussed above.

I was amazed at how much I could improve my album art, but it was a lot of work.

JoshK

Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #2 on: 19 Apr 2016, 12:11 am »
The other post is way more thorough, but I'll just say I just finished clean up my enormous library with MediaMonkey but I had to learn how to do quite a few of them manually, and I don't mean punching in the song titles, etc, manually but doing the searches manually and something playing with the amazon region (I listen to a lot of obscure metal that is from Europe mainly, so I have to change servers a lot). 

Nick B

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Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #3 on: 20 Apr 2016, 12:48 am »
Thanks Andy and Josh. Am hesitant to try Media Monkey again, but I ll try MP3Tag for sure
Nick

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Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #4 on: 20 Apr 2016, 10:23 am »
I show the same CD multiple times with 1 or 2 songs and other times with more and another with all the songs.

Media players differ in what they do think what makes an "Album"
It can be the Album tag but often it is "Album"+"Artist" should be the same.
Don't be surprised if e.g. a streamer all of a sudden thinks it should be "Album"+"Album Artist" instead of "Artist"

 I have a page in my website listing a couple of taggers: http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/tagging.html
MP3Tag is one of them, excellent piece of freeware.


You might have a look at MusicBee as well
It is a nice media player and shows you how your meta data is organized.
A  nice option is that you can define what makes an Album (Preferences > Sorting/Grouping)
If you use the same definition as used by the Aries, you can easily inspect and correct your tags

Nick B

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Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #5 on: 21 Apr 2016, 04:54 am »
Vincent,
Thanks for the information and the link. You really have an excellent website. The Bliss software looks very interesting also.
Regards,
Nick

Nick B

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Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #6 on: 12 May 2016, 03:09 pm »
Still working on the tagging and my apologies for not thanking Josh and Andy previously  :oops:

andy_c

Re: need help with tagging
« Reply #7 on: 12 May 2016, 04:39 pm »
Still working on the tagging and my apologies for not thanking Josh and Andy previously  :oops:

No problemo at all.  Thank you for the thought! :)