Greetings. Looking for guidance

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Firejedi

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Greetings. Looking for guidance
« on: 21 Mar 2016, 07:11 pm »
Hello all.  I have been a hifi fan for a long time.  However, I have never really had a hifi budget.  I currently have some Sonus Faber Concertinos in my living room powered by an Integra 30.1 HT receiver.  I am wanting to upgrade, but I am trying to decide between new speakers, or a new amp.  I am trying to seek out the uncommon speakers which tend to be more affordable.  Companies such as Salk, Selah, and others.  I am hoping to have use the same strategy for power.  I have been a Bowers and Wilkins fan for a long time but they tend to be on the pricey side. My goal is nice clear sound with a good soundstage.  I listen to all kinds of music, so I can't really narrow that down for you.  While my speakers are currently in my living room, I am thinking about moving them to a smaller (14x13) bedroom/office due to the unusual layout of my LR.

So if anyone can throw out some ideas for speaker and amp companies, I would appreciate it.  I am hoping to finagle a budget of around $2500-$3000.  Although, the WAF is a difficult one to measure.  If possible, I would like to do an amp and speakers.

I look forward to gaining some knowledge from everyone here.


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Re: Greetings. Looking for guidance
« Reply #1 on: 22 Mar 2016, 03:06 am »
Before you buy, read as much as you can here; ask all the questions you can.
Welcome to AudioCircle, Firejedi.  :beer:

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« Reply #2 on: 22 Mar 2016, 03:10 am »
Hello, Firejedi.

Here are some ideas to chew on.

If you're fine with it, buying gently used equipment offers tremendous savings while still giving you excellent quality. There is a pair of speakers for sale in our Trading Post that were built by the seller, but came from a kit designed by Rick Craig of Selah Audio. I think they're a fantastic deal. [Yes, I would happily buy them if there were any place I could put them without my wife's lopping a few of my fingers off.:duh:]  I think these offer outstanding value and must sound fantastic. If you are located reasonably close to Ohio, you could forego the shipping costs and get these for under $1200! http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=141153.0   

If you purchased the above speakers (or similarly priced used speakers), you would still have $1500 to $2000 dollars for an amplifier.

HT receivers are great for HT sound, which is what they're designed to do. However, HT receivers tend to not perform as well for two channel audio. One possible option is to buy a separate preamp and power your speakers with the amp inside the Integra. The preamp would offer improved SQ. Another option is to buy an integrated two-channel amp. A dedicated amplifier will  produce noticeably superior music over the HT receiver. What options have you looked into?

What do you have for sources? CD player? Turn table? Universal player? Computer? You may need to consider adding a DAC if for digital.

Here are some ideas to research:

Audio by Van Alstine Synergy Control amplifier $1799 The 100w in this amp will sound much better than the HT's 90 watts. http://www.avahifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=267&Itemid=229

Nuprime IDA-8 Integrated amp + DAC - This has everything but the kitchen sink for $995! I own this amp and it performs extremely well for an entry level amp.  http://www.nuprimeaudio.com/index.php/products/amplifiers-and-preamps/integrated-amps/ida-8.html

Odyssey Audio Cyclops integrated 110w/ch  http://www.odysseyaudio.com/products-cyclops.html

Vista Audio Spark integrated amp 20w/ch [Yeah. I know that seems too weak, but reviews suggest it's more powerful than what you'd expect.] $349!

There are tube integrated amps worth considering if you want to go that way.

Both Selah and Salk are excellent speaker manufacturer choices. Salk tends to be more expensive. I've heard speakers by both and they sound awesome and sound every bit as good as all those 'big' name companies for a lot less $$$$. As much as possible, listen to different speakers to determine for yourself what sound you like in speakers. The more time you allow for this, the more likely you will be satisfied with your purchase. [I rushed into a pair of speakers a few years ago that I thought were fantastic (powered by $15k worth of amp/preamp/cables/DAC in a showroom) only to discover they didn't fit my home, didn't sound fantastic with my Denon HT receiver, and my wife hated them.  :nono: They lasted 6 months. Sigh.] I learned patience, in home auditions, and researched the daylights out of everything....and I'm still unsure what speakers I want as my "last speakers till I die", but I'm a lot closer now than I was 3 years ago.

Lastly, if you are not power tool challenged, do consider buying kit speakers. They give you SUPER bang for your buck. Selah offers several kit speakers, GR Research offers a dozen or so kits, Meniscus Audio offers dozens, Madisound offers 20 or so kits, and DIY Sound Group offers a couple dozen kits. Yes. This is more research for you.

Enjoy your journey. Do ask lots of questions. Slow down and make informed decisions.

Have fun!

Michael

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« Reply #3 on: 22 Mar 2016, 03:55 am »
Welcome Firejedi    You have most definitely come to the right place to have folks help you spend your money and yet get the best bang for the BUCK :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

You didn't mention where you.  There are many local audio groups and there is a Circle here just for that.  This will assist you in some of the hunt process and maybe sample some  pulled pork in the process.

If you are in the Pacific NW I am hosting  in a couple of weeks :bounce: :bounce:

In respect to the hunt for a new setup I would personally encourage you to find the speaker of your liking first and for most.   And this might be the biggest part of the budget.  But it is the biggest part of the sound reproduction.  And that is mu opinion :nono:

So find some folks close, ask the manufacturers if they have a willing customer and post pictures.  And enjoy the hunt.

Alan

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Re: Greetings. Looking for guidance
« Reply #4 on: 22 Mar 2016, 10:30 am »
A warm welcome to AudioCircle Mr. Firejedi

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Re: Greetings. Looking for guidance
« Reply #5 on: 22 Mar 2016, 11:02 am »
You would upgrade to a used SonusFaber Concerto Domus (also 4 ohms as Concertino) and a 200/300W Class D amp.

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Re: Greetings. Looking for guidance
« Reply #6 on: 22 Mar 2016, 02:38 pm »
Welcome to AC! - As noted above, their are plenty of sponsors here with great products.  I would start with electronics. 

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« Reply #7 on: 22 Mar 2016, 03:15 pm »
Greetings & Welcome to AC Firejedi  :thumb: As has been noted, take some time, read, ask questions. A lot of good knowledgeable folks here, that are generous in their sharing of expertise & experience. Benefit from it.  8)

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« Reply #8 on: 22 Mar 2016, 03:49 pm »
Greetings Firejedi! Welcome!  :thumb:

Perhaps something from Spatial?
http://www.spatialaudio.us/hologram/

I suggest you might start by reading this thread on this forum:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=140937.0

I have not yet had the pleasure of hearing these, but a good friend whose ears I highly respect has fallen for them (and he has had many large and much more expensive speakers visit his home).

Firejedi

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Re: Greetings. Looking for guidance
« Reply #9 on: 22 Mar 2016, 04:56 pm »
Thank you all for the great start.  I actually saw the speakers in NE Ohio.  I currently live near Raleigh NC, but I grew up in NE Ohio and will be traveling there the middle of next month.  Once I am able to, I will contact that person about those speakers.  I'm a new guy so my posting abilities are still limited.  I've been considering kits for both the speakers and amps.  I was looking at the Akitika site before I posted this reply.  The idea of kits sounds great.  I play bass guitar and my current bass is a kit from Carvin that I built. But I worry about spending the money for something that I cannot hear beforehand.  Also, while I feel I would do ok with soldering and electrical, I am not a woodworker by any means. 

I will keep watching this site and learn what I can.  Thank for al your posts,  Keep them coming if anyone ha anything else to add.

Paul