question about a preamp for xtreme monos

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vpolineni

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question about a preamp for xtreme monos
« on: 25 Oct 2004, 01:40 pm »
I'm looking for a preamp to go with my xtreme monos... it's down to a tempest (obviously a great match) or a tubed preamp.  If I get the tempest, there will not be any tubes in my system and I don't like the idea of that.  The tubed preamp has an input impedance of 100Kohm and an output impedance of 130 Ohm.  I read in an earlier post that the input impedance of the xtreme monos is measured at 18kohm.. is this a good match?

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« Reply #1 on: 25 Oct 2004, 01:47 pm »
I talked to Klaus at HE2004 about tubed preamps and he recommended Rogue Audio as a good match for the Stratos.  :idea: I would not do the model 66 but rather the 99 model. This preamp (particularly the "magnum" version) is a more suitable match considering the fact that you have the extreme monos. If you need to double-check, you can always call Klaus.

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« Reply #2 on: 25 Oct 2004, 04:44 pm »
Did Klaus told you how these preamps (rogue 66 and 99) compare with the tempest ?

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« Reply #3 on: 25 Oct 2004, 06:15 pm »
I can chime in here, the deHavilland Ultra verve is  UNREAL!!!  I'll PM you when I get a chance.

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« Reply #4 on: 25 Oct 2004, 06:24 pm »
thanks brian.

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« Reply #5 on: 25 Oct 2004, 06:49 pm »
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I'm looking for a preamp to go with my xtreme monos... it's down to a tempest (obviously a great match) or a tubed preamp.  If I get the tempest, there will not be any tubes in my system and I don't like the idea of that.  The tubed preamp has an input impedance of 100Kohm and an output impedance of 130 Ohm.  I read in an earlier post that the input impedance of the xtreme monos is measured at 18kohm.. is this a good match?

general rule of thumb is that a preamp's output impedence should be no more than 1/10th that of the amp's input impedence.  so, max output impedence of a preamp w/the xtreme would be 1.8kohms.

based on this, i would *not* use the rogue magnum 99.  even tho it's rated at 150 ohms output impedence, i owned this pre, & its real-world output impedence is likely somewhere in the 2k-2.5kohm range.  it would not adequately drive a 5m interconnect run into my 25kohm input-impedence marchand x-over.  bass was mia, & treble was reduced.  crossing the outputs w/resistors & easily hearing reduced sound level, was what gave me the actual 2k-2.5k output impedence of the rogue.  (i forget which walue risistor i needed, to effect this test).   the cary slp-98, which i tried after the rogue, had *no* problems whatsoever driving this load, & it was rated at 650 ohms output impedence.

there were other reasons i dint like the rogue - it was *way* coloured in sound, it was way too bloomy, it was wery microphonic.  the cary slp-98, which some consider to be coloured, was wery neutral, in comparison, & a far better match to my system.  

my melos music director was so much better than the cary, i stopped looking for preamps...   :wink:  it's presently being traded for another single-ended music director (mine's balanced, & i don't need that feature), that has a $700 tubed wolume control mod & three more line inputs.   i can't wait!  the tubed wolume pot is supposed to be even more transparent than their famed (but unreliable) photentiometer.   :mrgreen:

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« Reply #6 on: 25 Oct 2004, 07:14 pm »
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general rule of thumb is that a preamp's output impedence should be no more than 1/10th that of the amp's input impedence. so, max output impedence of a preamp w/the xtreme would be 1.8kohms.

doug,
  would the preamp i'm thinking of (with an output impedance of 130 ohm) work?

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« Reply #7 on: 25 Oct 2004, 07:39 pm »
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general rule of thumb is that a preamp's output impedence should be no more than 1/10th that of the amp's input impedence. so, max output impedence of a preamp w/the xtreme would be 1.8kohms.

doug,
  would the preamp i'm thinking of (with an output impedance of 130 ohm) work?

input impedence of your amp is rated at 18khz.  any preamp's output impedence should be *max* 1/10th that amount, or in your case *max* 1.8khz.  your preamp's rating of 130 ohms output impedence is *way* lower than your amp's output impedence rating, so you should be fine.

but, i related my story w/the rogue magnum 99 which i owned, as a caveat...   its *rated* output impedence of 150 wasn't low enuff to drive my marchand's input impedence of 25kohms, yet the cary slp-98's 650 ohms output impedence was more than low enuff.... :wink:

doug s.

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« Reply #8 on: 25 Oct 2004, 08:01 pm »
Doug,

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but, i related my story w/the rogue magnum 99 which i owned, as a caveat... its *rated* output impedence of 150 wasn't low enuff to drive my marchand's input impedence of 25kohms, yet the cary slp-98's 650 ohms output impedence was more than low enuff....


Which Odyssey amp did you have connected to the Rogue? I'm surprised that Klaus would supposively recommend their amp if it didn't mate well.

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« Reply #9 on: 25 Oct 2004, 08:07 pm »
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Doug,

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but, i related my story w/the rogue magnum 99 which i owned, as a caveat... its *rated* output impedence of 150 wasn't low enuff to drive my marchand's input impedence of 25kohms, yet the cary slp-98's 650 ohms output impedence was more than low enuff....


Which Odyssey amp did you have connected to the Rogue? I'm surprised that Klaus would supposively recommend their amp if it didn't mate well.


i wasn't using an odyssey amp.  amp's impedence is not relevant in this case, as it was the marchand active x-over seeing the load, & the marchand's input impedence is 25kohms.  the amps at the time were electrocompaniets, w/input impedence of 100kohms.

perhaps, w/really short ic's between amp & pre, ya could get away w/the rogue w/the odyssey amp.  but, in my limited experience, i heard two tube amps which were far nicer than the rogue magnum 99.  i even liked my s/s linn kairn preamp better than the rogue.

doug s.

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question about a preamp for xtreme monos
« Reply #10 on: 26 Oct 2004, 02:22 am »
I use a BV-Audio preamp P-1 with my pair of Mono Extremes.  Great match, not to say that the Tempest would not be just as good.  However, the BV is fabulous- clear, clean, and dynamic.  Check out their website.  They have a new model also, the P-10.

I bought my Odyssey amps about two years ago.  Best $2500 I ever spent.  I can say the same for the BV, though it was about $1350.