Pre-amp Technologies

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giorgino1

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« on: 23 Oct 2004, 08:51 am »
As with all other areas of hifi, there are different schools of thought on preamplifiers. I was wondering if there any thoughts from forum members who have an opinion or experience with the various advantageous/negatives of each/some of the following technologies below:

1) Resistor based passive controller like Channel Islands VPC1 http://www.ciaudio.com/vpc1.html
or Placette Audio's http://www.placetteaudio.com/remote_control.htm

2) Full preamp

3) Buffered preamp like Aunt Corey's Homemade Buffered Passive Preamplifier
http://www.stereophile.com/amplificationreviews/54/index.html or FT Audio's  http://www.ftaudio.com/

4) Transformer based passive controllers like Sonic Euphoria - http://www.soniceuphoria.com/
or MF Audio - http://www.mfaudio.co.uk/

I'm less interested in the aspect of gain but focusing on short signal path and keeping it simple. Is this just purely an issue of impedance matching? I'm particularly curious about the last one (4. Transformer type) as I've heard alot more positive opinions than negative ones.

Many thanks

dado5

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« Reply #1 on: 23 Oct 2004, 01:57 pm »
My opinion, for what it is worth.

Active pre amps have generally given me a livelier sound.  I use Meadowlark speakers which are on the laid back side so this is a bit of a benny for me.  However, they have all done this at the expense of increased noise and too much gain.  

As far as resistive units go, I have not cared for the switched discrete attenuators I have tried so far (just had a DACT in my system finally and I was unimpressed).  I prefer the sound of carbon pots over plastic as well.  So far the best solution I have tried is a fake law carbon pot.  This is a linear pot with a specifically calculated resistor tied between the wiper and ground.  I use a 100K pot with a 15K resistor.  Linear pots are better constructed and have much better channel balance than audio taper (log) pots, plus the addition of the matched resistors forces even better balance. I have heard tell that cermet pots are even better in this regard, but I have not tried one (it's on my to-do list).

Transformers may work well, but they are inherently non-linear devices so I would not scrimp here.  Buy only the best and most well regarded to be safe. That said, they could have some unique benefits over resistive attenuation, such as ground loop noise cancellation and inherent band pass filtering. This means using a TVC might give you a quieter, more powerful amp right off the bat. This may indeed be a factor in the high regard these units receive.  Honestly, I think it is worth a look, but the price of admission is too high for me right now

Personally, I think the ultimate solution is a power amp with a high input impedance (a meg or so) and an input sensitivity approaching 2 volts (maybe even over 2 volts if the amp is higher powered and/or the speakers are efficient).  This would allow most sources to hit a 100K + volume control and still drive the amp well with almost no noise.

Rob

dado5

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« Reply #2 on: 23 Oct 2004, 03:10 pm »
BTW,

Here are some more buffered volume control options:

http://www.welbornelabs.com/catalog1.htm  down load the catalog and look through it.  He has a buffered passive which uses currently available ICs (unlike the CG unit)

http://www.decware.com/linestage/zp1.htm tube buffer

http://hollowstate.netfirms.com/line2.htm  Dr. Lloyd can configure this for 0db gain. I Love the 12SN tubes!

Also, DIY cable and Antique Sound offer TVC controls:

http://www.diycable.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=466

http://www.divertech.com/passiveti2.html

Rob

giorgino1

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« Reply #3 on: 24 Oct 2004, 01:23 pm »
HI Dado

Many thanks for your input. Interestingly enough, I have the Decware ZSLA1 buffered linestage.  :) I have been using it in the past to buffer my Scott Nixon DAC and feed my ZenAmp to very good effect. Recently, I have upgraded to the TriVista TubeDAC21 and found the bufferstage to be unneccesary. I need to establish if this preference is due to the ZSLA1 imposing it's own character on my system as I got a cleaner sound directly injecting the DAC into my Zen Select's potted input.

I've just aquired Nelson Pass' First Watt amplifier which is a pure power amp and so the need for a source/volume control has arisen. I raised this thread to get my head around the pros and cons of each technology and try to find the least sonically compromised product.

The transformer controller approach appear to have the greatest potential. The advantages are the quietness on being unpowered and the lack of resistors in the signal path. The area of concern I have is the amount of wiring in the system. Commonsense and gut feeling tells me that this can't be a good thing and yet, I haven't heard much about this.

I think this is important question: Ts it that transformer volume controllers work better than passive resistive ones because they match impedances or that resistors inherently have a negative effect on sound quality. If, for instance, it were possible to have a resistive unit to perfectly match the impedance between source and power amp, would it have a superior sound than all the wires of the transformer?

robertwb

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« Reply #4 on: 25 Oct 2004, 12:53 am »
I'm also very interested in TVC preamps-it's the only type I haven't heard yet

I've been looking and it seems there are only 3 that interest me-the bent NOH(which is temporarily out of production),the sonic euphoria and the django-remote control(a must have for IMO) is optional on the first 2 and I suppose it would be possible to put bents remote kit on the django

other than real DIY is there anything else around?

Ulas

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« Reply #5 on: 25 Oct 2004, 01:55 am »
Quote from: robertwb
other than real DIY is there anything else around?


How about the Silver Rock by Audio Consulting.

giorgino1

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« Reply #6 on: 25 Oct 2004, 01:45 pm »