I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!

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hanguy

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« on: 23 Oct 2004, 04:37 am »
I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod! After 6 months of playing with various mods, I don’t think there is anymore I can do.

There have been lots of information in various forums concerning XR45 mods and my mods are pretty much a collection of what I think made sense. Having the service manual is essential for anyone who wants to attempt any modification.

The mods were carried out in 3 stages:

Stage 1 – Replace all big caps in the power supply board with Nichicon caps. Replace the main filter cap with Jensen 4 pole cap. Replace main diode bridge with 4 IR HEXFRED. Replace the electrolytic caps feeding the output H-bridge transistors with Nichicon caps. Replace front 3 channel binding posts to WBT binding posts. Replace rear two channels to generic 5 way binding posts. Connect binding posts directly to the output coils via Audience Auric wires. Replace power supply wires between the two main boards with 14AWG DHLabs hookup wires. Replace AC main input with Furutech IEC socket.

This first stage mod made the panny sounded a lot more civilized than stock. The hint of digital glare was pretty much gone at this point. Details were good and soundstage was the most attractive quality, the speakers disappeared literally. Listening to music, it was on par with my Proceed AVP2 and AMP5 combo. And the panny did HT even better. So at this point, I decided to sell my AVP2 and AMP5 to upgrade my projector. The only problem that I had was the subwoofer out of the panny was not as good as the AVP2 in HT mode. The panny’s sub-out lacked details and bass was not tight.

Stage 2 – Replace coax digital in connector with Cardas RCA. Replace electrolytic decoupling caps on DSP board and main circuit board with blackgate standards. Replace subwoofer out coupling caps with blackgate NX.

I would say this mod made the most difference. The amp was very quiet to start with but with the mod the background got a lot blacker. It’s hard to describe until you hear it. All the details just came out from nowhere. Soundstage widened even further. The best word to use is the amp got more refined. However, I felt that the amp tended to run out of steam when playing loud in HT mode. So I decided to do stage 3 mod.

Stage 3 – The original big caps on power supply board and the output transistors are 1000uF. I changed them out with 2200uF Nichicon.

Only with 10 hours burn-in now, this mod does exactly what I wanted. The sound is so effortless no matter how loud it is. There is no sign of strain. Soundstage and imaging became more stable.

Approximate cost in parts and hours of labor is as follows: Stage 1 - $400+20-30 hours, Stage 2 - $100 + 5 hours, Stage 3 - $30 + 5 hours

The performance of this amp now completely beats my AVP2+AMP5 combo except in one area, subwoofer out for HT use. Even after changing out the coupling cap in stage 2, the sub-out still lacks behind the performance of AVP2 a level or two in this area, again in bass details and tightness, though much improved than before the mod.

Since the XR70 is supposedly very similar to XR45 in design, I hope someone can benefit from my experience when the XR70 becomes available. Digital amplification has finally made true high end audio and HT experience very affordable.

The rest of my systems as reference: Revel C30/F30/B15 (all with sonicap/mills resistors in crossover), SONY DVP-S9000ES w/modwright stage 3 and Empirical Audio transport mod. BPT 2.5U. VH audio Flavor 4 power cords to the panny and the transport. Virtual Dynamics Nite digital cable and Acoustic Zen Satori bi-wire speaker cable.  

Mike

WerTicus

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #1 on: 23 Oct 2004, 10:50 am »
well done... i have always been a fan of modifing stock things.. occam got me into it with a little advice... 'dont electrocute yourself'  

and i have only done that twice!

how does the amp compare to something... very high end - like the evo2 from Bel Canto for example.

also how much power does this amp have?

hanguy

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #2 on: 23 Oct 2004, 06:59 pm »
Haven't heard the Bel Canto but as I mentioned the mod XR45 beats my AVP2+AMP5. The mod XR45 definitely sounded more dynamic. I have heard Parasound JC-1 in my system and that sounded better than the mod XR45 as I recall, soundstage more 3D and more bass slam as well.

The stock XR45 is rated at 100W/6ohm. Don't know if the power rating would be affected by doubling the power supply and output caps.

Mike

WerTicus

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #3 on: 24 Oct 2004, 05:01 am »
if you increase the power supply cap size you get a slight increase in the peak power it would be able to handle without clipping.

im not familiar with the avp2+amp5 unfortunatly.

but there is definatly no doubt that doing what you have done can make huge improvements...  I did the same thing to mine.

hanguy

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #4 on: 24 Oct 2004, 05:22 am »
I kept thinking how can I improve the subwoofer out performance. Today, I tried remove the two muting transistors and it worked  :lol:

Now the details and impact of the subwoofer out can keep up with the rest of the amp. I am one happy guy.  :mrgreen:

I would be interested in modifying a digital amp of the next one or two generations in a few months. The performance return to price ratio is definitely very high by investing some time to modify this kind of amp.

Mike

rha61

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I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #5 on: 6 Nov 2004, 01:43 pm »
hi hanguy

Which decoupling caps did you replace in the dsp and main board ?
In my case , i've removed all the 1000/50 caps on the main board and put a big Elna audio 12000/63 on the 50v rail between PSU and main board
The sound is now bigger and smooth , there is not forward presentation anymore

alain

hanguy

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #6 on: 7 Nov 2004, 05:20 pm »
Quote from: rha61

Which decoupling caps did you replace in the dsp and main board ?
In my case , i've removed all the 1000/50 caps on the main board and put a big Elna audio 12000/63 on the 50v rail between PSU and main board

alain


Hi alain,

Yes, I have replaced all those 1000/50 caps on the main board with 2200/63 nichicons and got similar benefit. Other caps involved are the two 1000/6.3 caps in the digital circuits. ALL 10/6.3 decoupling caps in the digital circuits on the main and dsp boards replaced with black gates. The real benefit there is replacing the generic surface mount caps with low ESR black gates makes noise decoupling more effective, yielding a more detailed sound. You may want to give that a try.

Mike

hanguy

I am finally done with my Panasonic XR45 mod!
« Reply #7 on: 9 Jan 2006, 05:55 am »
I have just added a hagclock to my modified XR45. Originally, there are two crystals on the DSP board, combined with some logic circuits to generate the 24.576MHz refclk for the DIR AKM AK4114. The AK4114 in turn generates the rest of the system clocks to the DSP engine and the PWM controller. Ultimately, the best scheme is to supply a super clean clock to the PWM controller to maximize the benefit but by doing so, there has to be a reclock circuit to make the clock and data synchronous to each other. This would make it a lot more complicated. So I chose to simply replaced the refclk to the DIR.

I chose a location on the bottom side of the DSP board to cut the refclk trace, scrape off some PCB to get to the metal trace as solder pad. Two wires (clock and ground) can be easily soldered on to traces. The clock are connected via a series 100ohm chip resistor.

The hagclock is powered by the +/-12V on the main board for the opamps.

This is a worth while upgrade. The attack of the leading edge of notes became a lot sharper and the decay of strings and piano notes hang in the air longer. The area that improved the most has to be imaging: images of vocals and intruments just became rock solid.

This mod is relative simple but it takes a lot of research before hand to make sure that everything would work out.

Mike