Converting stereo to mono.

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Baumli

Converting stereo to mono.
« on: 11 Aug 2015, 07:01 am »
Dear people,

My paternal grandfather's old console radio finally ended up in my hands. It's a 1949 Airline (made one year after I was born), and I remember listening to its wooly, boomy sound when I was a very small child.

It stopped working about 35 years ago, and now that it's in my hands, it really shows decay.

Mike Missal suggested that rebuilding it would cost about $500. But he noted that it is AM only, and suggested I try listening to AM only for a week before going ahead with the project. Well; Master Mike was right. AM is mostly talk radio and ballgames, neither of which interest me, so I definitely do not want to go with a rebuild. (Neither does my checking account.)

What I'm wanting to do is use a Tivoli "Model One" radio which has a single mono speaker, and a signal out jack. Unfortunately, the signal out is stereo. I want to run this stereo signal to mono, plug it into the 1/8th" input of a 15-watt Pyle amp that has its own volume control, and thus be using the Tivoli as a receiver (with its volume control off), and run its signal into the Pyle amp which would be pushinig the console's 10-inch driver.

But there is a problem. How to convert stereo to mono? I've had many perspectives. One is to just "Y" the two stereo signals together. But some warn that this will scramble the signal. We used to do this with professional sound systems back when I worked as a musician, and we noted it tended to work fine when the wire runs were long (like 30 feet), but the two stereo signals would scramble into each other when the wire runs were short. My son attempted to do it this way with his MP3 player and headphones. The signal went to one ear only, of course. It didn't sound scrambled, exactly, but it had lost all detail--as if one channel was out of phase with the other and was canceling it at the upper frequencies. So people have offered more advice. Some say to use a diode across each positive lead, but I'm not sure what value, or how to wire it in. Others say I have to use a resistor on each lead, or the volume will be way too high. Others say I should use both a diode and a resistor. Others say this will cause even more problems.

Well; I'm an amateur when it comes to circuit matters. I don't even know what a diode is. It's been explained to me, but I understand for about two minutes, and then my concept becomes a mush.

I would think there would be a converter, made commercially, for this kind of thing but I sure can't find one on the Internet.

So I am asking (pleading): Is there anyone in our Society who has omniscience on this matter, and can give me advice as to what to do? If your explanation is overly technical, don't worry. I can find someone to figure it out for me.

Any help on this would be appreciated. I want to assemble something, not experiment. Especially given that it is a matter which, for an audiophile well-versed in these concepts, would be quite elementary.

I will appreciate all the help you can generously give.

All the best,

Francis Baumli 

JohnR

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #1 on: 11 Aug 2015, 10:54 am »
Hi Francis, I believe something like this will do what you want: http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx (or http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-MX400-BEHRINGER-MICROMIX/dp/B000KGYAYQ)

You'd also need some TRRS-RCA adapters. There might be an equivalent unit with RCA already on it.

electricbear

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #2 on: 11 Aug 2015, 01:04 pm »
This may also do the job. Go to www.mcmelectronics.com and look at the part # SMC-1. 

Baumli

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #3 on: 12 Aug 2015, 02:54 am »
Dear gentlemen,

Thank you for your responses. Tim (aka electricbear), your proffering seems most promising. But this will require adaptors for going from 1/8" plugs to RCA. In this day and age, where so much is 1/8" plugs, isn't it surprising that there isn't a unit which takes a stereo 1/8" plug in and has a mono 1/8" plug out? If you know of any such, I would appreciate your conveying that information, but don't burn your eyeballs out looking on the computer for one. However, if you can spot one easily, I would be interested in knowing.

Meanwhile, no jokes about how smaller isn't better. Smaller is what the radio and amp start with.

Thank you in advance!

Francis Baumli

electricbear

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #4 on: 12 Aug 2015, 04:54 pm »
The 1/8" to rca's are easy to find. 1/8" stereo to 1/8" mono are a different matter entirely.

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Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #5 on: 12 Aug 2015, 06:17 pm »
Put a 1000 ohm resistor on each channel and tie the other end of the resistors together for mono.  Add connectors, cables, and chassis as needed.  You've just built a passive mixer.  Problem solved.

Baumli

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #6 on: 20 Aug 2015, 07:36 am »
Dear gentlemen,

Just one last note to give a heartfelt thanks for all your suggestions. I am ready to proceed, may explore two or three different routes, but now I feel confident about going ahead with what probably will be project with mixed musical results.

The head-scratching, and also the Internet searching and sleuthing, were enviable and exemplary. I am as impressed as I am grateful.

Now, to work.

With much appreciation!

Francis Baumli

electricbear

Re: Converting stereo to mono.
« Reply #7 on: 20 Aug 2015, 01:12 pm »
Francis, should you royally cock things up I know you have Mike Missels and Jeff Jacksons phone numbers on speed dial.  :lol: