Well Tempered Lab Royale 400 with 16" tonearm. It weighs in at a healthy 46kg.

newvinyl · « **on:** 28 Mar 2015, 12:16 am »

Anyone have any info on this...

threadkiller · « **Reply #1 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 05:55 am »

Firebaugh's latest. and has that lovely stand..and long long arm..
Looks tits!

rob400 · « **Reply #2 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 11:08 am »

It doesn't look great does it? But what does it sound like?

ADiG · « **Reply #3 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 11:13 am »

look here:

http://www.perfectaudio.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PA-listinoWTL2015.pdf

SteveFord · « **Reply #4 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 02:07 pm »

That's quite a departure from his previous products, isn't it?

newvinyl · « **Reply #5 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 05:44 pm »

Looks like the headshell offset is 0 degrees, straight in line with the tone arm, no offset at all.
Could that be the case?

watercourse · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 Mar 2015, 06:28 pm »

Wow, a mass-loaded CLD plinth, tube phono stage, and cartridges too? WTF WTL?

ADiG · « **Reply #7 on:** 29 Mar 2015, 12:23 pm »

TimF · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 Mar 2015, 02:51 pm »

Good lord, one could use that arm as a back-scratcher! Nice looking table overall though.

threadkiller · « **Reply #9 on:** 30 Mar 2015, 03:00 pm »

Nice to see Bill still sporting his white belt and polyesters...

watercourse · « **Reply #10 on:** 30 Mar 2015, 03:18 pm »

Next time, the demo should be someplace other than a funeral home, or at least hide the casket better.

threadkiller · « **Reply #11 on:** 31 Mar 2015, 01:33 am »

Lol... Good point... not sure what all that's about..

Erocka2000 · « **Reply #12 on:** 31 Mar 2015, 12:55 pm »

I really hope he used a better motor than the one used in the Amadeus. And I really wish he switched back to a rubber belt. As good as the thread sounds, durability is not as good as with a rubber belt. And I'd trade that little bit of extra sound for a belt that I don't have to replace every few months or so. If those changes happened, I would really consider going back to this Well Tempered.

sebrof · « **Reply #13 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 12:09 am »

Quote from: Erocka2000 on 31 Mar 2015, 12:55 pm

I really hope he used a better motor than the one used in the Amadeus. And I really wish he switched back to a rubber belt. As good as the thread sounds, durability is not as good as with a rubber belt. And I'd trade that little bit of extra sound for a belt that I don't have to replace every few months or so. If those changes happened, I would really consider going back to this Well Tempered.

I wasn't aware there is an issue with the motor on the Amadeus. Have they been failing or something?

I know you went through heck and back with the thread/belt on your Amadeus (that was you, right?), but I'm glad they use thread. I have had my table since November and I am on my 2nd belt. The 1st belt I broke and was my fault. I paid $3 for a 400 yard spool of thread that will literally last me a lifetime. I'll never need to wait for a belt I ordered to arrive, never need to worry about them becoming obsolete. I made the jig that is described in the manual so I'm ready to go.
I'd take an arm cue, though

threadkiller · « **Reply #14 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 01:08 am »

Well, quibble away... and sometimes rightly so... Yet as Uncle Felix would say- she can't sew, she can't cook, but oh what a woman... ( Barbra Stanwyck movie)
That's still how I feel about the Amadeus.. one heck of a great sounding table.

Now of course you'll be quibbling over the Royale price..

mick wolfe · « **Reply #15 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 03:47 am »

Quote from: threadkiller on 1 Apr 2015, 01:08 am

Well, quibble away... and sometimes rightly so... Yet as Uncle Felix would say- she can't sew, she can't cook, but oh what a woman... ( Barbra Stanwyck movie)
That's still how I feel about the Amadeus.. one heck of a great sounding table.

Now of course you'll be quibbling over the Royale price..

Agreed....As good as the Amadeus sounds, I'll put up with a few nits. Belts are a non issue. I have several in reserve and my last one has lasted nearly a year.

threadkiller · « **Reply #16 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 04:49 am »

The belt breakage thing is still a mystery to me.. mine rarely break, I can't even remember the last time. I play all the time, I know at least once a month I go to bed with it still spinning, like a big dummy. Yet I have two friends who must use those things to floss with- breaking belts right and left. It just makes no sense..

So nobody knows the Royale price? I've got a guesstimate...

ADiG · « **Reply #17 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 09:41 am »

USE THE SAME GAUGE NYLON FISHING AND NOT BREAK EVER!
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119558.msg1321055#msg1321055

sebrof · « **Reply #18 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 11:13 am »

Quote from: ADiG on 1 Apr 2015, 09:41 am

USE THE SAME GAUGE NYLON FISHING AND NOT BREAK EVER!
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=119558.msg1321055#msg1321055

Also, on page 3 of that thread is a picture Mike Pranka sent to me of the thread he recommends.

Erocka2000 · « **Reply #19 on:** 1 Apr 2015, 01:03 pm »

Quote from: mick wolfe on 1 Apr 2015, 03:47 am

Agreed....As good as the Amadeus sounds, I'll put up with a few nits. Belts are a non issue. I have several in reserve and my last one has lasted nearly a year.

I don't want to derail this thread and I don't deny that your belt may have lasted a year. But there is no way at all that it kept the proper tension for that entire year. The belts stretch out fairly easy, especially if you change speeds a lot, which I why I would prefer a rubber belt.

Does anyone know if the Royale will have push-button speed changes? And does anyone know what the price may be?