I thought I could resist....not

rms8 · « **on:** 20 Feb 2015, 04:39 pm »

I recently posted a comment over at another forum.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/1897761-high-efficiency-speakers-great-clarity-music.html

The guy was looking for high efficiency speakers and most everything people were suggesting were of course horns. That lead to the plethora of DIY horns out there. I posted a pic of my new LS-9's (TY Ruben) as an alternative to horns. At some point, a forum member made the following post about Danny :

Quote from: notnyt

He's a bit of a kook and ventures heavily into audiophool territory. Those speakers are silly anyway.

My first reaction was to post something in defense, but I resisted......until today.

Quote from: rms8

Interesting comment on my choice of speakers...."silly"?

I'm not sure how many audio/recording industry accolades you've acquired in your lifetime, but perhaps you should take a look at THIS before you claim a well respected Industry expert is a "kook", and his designs "silly". Last time I checked, I didn't see any speaker manufactures knocking on your door for designs and/or advice. Post counts on forums don't make one an expert, but as we all know opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one.

Oh well, it seems to have stirred the pot.

rodge827 · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 04:43 pm »

Well done!

rms8 · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 04:53 pm »

When I mentioned "...you should take a look at THIS before you..."

"THIS" was a hyper link to Danny's Service page on his website.

SoCalWJS · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 04:59 pm »

Well done and Good Luck!

Hope it doesn't get ugly. Pretty well gave up on AVS for 2 channel years ago as the forum seems to attract a good number of people who really have a strong opinion and not enough knowledge/experience to back it up, but they are definitely going to tell you that you are wrong.

GT Audio Works · « **Reply #4 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 05:13 pm »

Yes, opinions are plentiful, especially on these forums.
Many of them stem from personal experience and conclusions reached from rational thought.
Others unfortunately , from a prejudice that is based not in fact, but ego.
The latter having a distinct odor of the orifice from where it came.

AKLegal · « **Reply #5 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 05:33 pm »

Why not ask what it is about the design that he thinks is silly? His response will tell you whether he has legitimate issues with the LS9's design or is just biased for some other reason.

rockdrummer · « **Reply #6 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 05:38 pm »

Wow. Looking at what that gentleman has up front, it looks like he feeds his ego with power and size. All technical stuff aside, because I can't speak to it, it looks like moving lots of air is the most important thing.

Another thought I constantly had was we're looking at a glorified home theater that runs like a public address system. I certainly could be off the point, but I would expect someone with that setup to focus on finess and detail less than power and stature.

Anyway, I typed this fast and with little plan, but rms8, I am with you. I felt notnyt's comment was completely meant in a negative light. Plus lets not get carried away with the countless comparisons that have been made between Danny's designs and manufactured speakers 10 times more expensive (and more).

I better stop.

Ben

bdp24 · « **Reply #7 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 06:54 pm »

By using the term audiophool, notnyt has told me everything I need to know about him. Which is nothing. Engaging that kind of guy is a waste of time.

nickd · « **Reply #8 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 07:02 pm »

Guess I'm a kook too.

life is way too short to worry about people hurling insults on social media. I guess that's why I like AC people generally seem to play a little nicer over here.

PDR · « **Reply #9 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 08:09 pm »

yeah......they live in their own "special" world.....

SoCalWJS · « **Reply #10 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 08:15 pm »

Quote from: rockdrummer on 20 Feb 2015, 05:38 pm

Wow. Looking at what that gentleman has up front, it looks like he feeds his ego with power and size. All technical stuff aside, because I can't speak to it, it looks like moving lots of air is the most important thing.

Another thought I constantly had was we're looking at a glorified home theater that runs like a public address system. I certainly could be off the point, but I would expect someone with that setup to focus on finess and detail less than power and stature.

Anyway, I typed this fast and with little plan, but rms8, I am with you. I felt notnyt's comment was completely meant in a negative light. Plus lets not get carried away with the countless comparisons that have been made between Danny's designs and manufactured speakers 10 times more expensive (and more).

I better stop.

Ben

I'm sure it's an impressive HT Setup.

2 Channel?

but gots my doubts......

rollo · « **Reply #11 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 08:23 pm »

Why even bother. When you feed them they stick around. We all know Danny. He is IMO a gentleman all around. Willing to give FREE advice on products he does not sell and helps the DIY crowd.
In the Industry Dannies knowledge is sort after by the big boys. No need to defend him or bother with those type of comments. My 2 cents.

charles

Danny Richie · « **Reply #12 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 09:39 pm »

Yeah, all of us audiophiles are really kooks. And we're silly for chasing after quality so much. We have been kidding ourselves all along. Bigger is always better.

Just go on there and start talking about your speaker cables or something and how good they sound compared to your last speaker cables. Then they'll really freak out.

Sounds like for sure though they don't understand much about line arrays or how they really work.

So sad.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 10:30 pm »

Ha, one of the guys there just quoted me so I just got an e-mail notification for the thread from AVS forum.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 Feb 2015, 11:34 pm »

I couldn't resist either.

Oh no, I think the flat earth guys might even have me out numbered over there. I might have to call for reinforcements from the audiophile listeners.

They already brought up cables.

Sometimes you can just see it coming.

I'm one of those kooky cable guys that thinks cables make a difference.

mlundy57 · « **Reply #15 on:** 21 Feb 2015, 12:02 am »

Bigger is always better, really? I guess that means I'm tone deaf because I think my Wedgies are the best speakers I've heard.

That includes the Sonus faber Olympica III ($13,500) or the B&W 801 Diamonds ($15,500) I have recently listened to.

Mike

SoCalWJS · « **Reply #16 on:** 21 Feb 2015, 12:31 am »

Quote from: Danny Richie on 20 Feb 2015, 11:34 pm

I couldn't resist either.

Oh no, I think the flat earth guys might even have me out numbered over there. I might have to call for reinforcements from the audiophile listeners.

They already brought up cables. Sometimes you can just see it coming.

I'm one of those kooky cable guys that thinks cables make a difference.

A long time ago I copied and pasted one of your discussions on the topic (comb filtering as well as Line Source vs a Klipshorn) and put it in a word file. I almost copied it back again at AVS (or even here), but it would just fan the flames.

There are just too many people over there that can't/won't hear the differences and fall back onto the ABX argument on sooooo many different things (Cables/power/treatments/etc). Just turns ugly. I know they have (had?) one guy who had a decidedly mid fi system over there who said that there was absolutely no way anything could sound better. He lived in the middle of nowhere, had never been to a Hi End Dealer or a Show, but would argue to the death about it.

Troll as far as I was concerned, but supported by others.

AVS is good for the "V"part, but not the "A" part.

rodge827 · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 Feb 2015, 12:51 am »

Quote from: SoCalWJS on 21 Feb 2015, 12:31 am

AVS is good for the "V"part, but not the "A" part.

I got some good calibration advice for my TV over there, other than that...

rms8 · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 Feb 2015, 01:20 pm »

I woke up this AM and checked in to see if there was anything new on the internet.

I'm not sure I want to go looking at that thread over at AVS.

I wanted to save a thread for my opinion (and it would be a very big noob opinion at that compared to those here) of my new LS-9 and LS-C.

I had to send the legs to the LS-C Stand back to be altered since they were too high. Ruben is supposed to get those out this weekend. Once I have them and all is back together and the room picked up, I plan to take LOTS of pics and create a thread about them.

HAL · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 Feb 2015, 01:40 pm »

First time I heard line array speakers was in 1979. It was the then new Infinity IRS Reference III speakers with the two bipole arrays and two 6x12" servo arrays with Class D servo amps. They were amazing! To this day they were close to the best audio reproduction from any system I have heard.

The GR-Research LS-9 are something special indeed. I spent an entire day listening to them at RMAF the first year they were demo'd. The newer LS-X are in the same family of sound quality. I would take them over a pair of K-Horns any day.