[stehno]

Recently purchased 2 boxes of 12 but after much comparison, I'm convinced 24 is too many and 12 is just enough.

The Dark Field v2's performance gains are surprisingly good. Especially since was expecting no improvements since I was already using a nice audio-grade ceramic lifter. In my case, it took 48 - 72 hours to reach full potential.

$260 obo.

Check or Paypal only. You pay my asking price and I'll pay shipping to lower 48 states. Otherwise, buyer pays $15 shipping fee.

[srb]

Although everyone thinks their for sale item is a "sweet deal", the Sweet Deals circle is for individual members to post links to sites and stores that are offering great deals on audio and home theater equipment, as well as related items.

Sales of personal equipment should be posted in one of the Trading Post child boards.

[Scroof Neachy]

In my case, it took 48 - 72 hours to reach full potential.

Are you suggesting that these things need breaking in? 

[jlawson1977]

Are you suggesting that these things need breaking in? 

 

[sfox7076]

Defying gravity does take time.

[RDavidson]

Easy guys. He's a newb.
.......but yeah........uh, break-in of cable elevators? That's a new one to me too.

[stehno]

Now girls, don't go getting your panties in a twist.  I'm sure we can reason thru this. 

I kinda' misspoke, it's actually my Audio Tekne speaker cables that are doing the resettling, not the Dark Field's.  The Tekne's for some reason are a pretty sensistive cable, as are their ic's, and it seems with any significant movement, they take some time to resettle before performing at their best.

I made mention of this possibility just in case the next owner happens to have sensitive cables, installs these for 10 minutes, then cries snake oil because they couldn't hear any differences within 10 minutes.

[srb]

Now girls, don't go getting your panties in a twist.  .....  Did you know that the foundation under your trailers as well as your trailers are still settling in?

Not sure how that level of passive-aggressiveness will help you sell them here. 

[mr_bill]

Granny!  is the possum done yet, I'm hungry for lunch,
sorry guys, can't talk now, lunch is almost ready and I need to fix the roof on the trailer after lunch.

Sheesh! That's not very nice stehno.

[RDavidson]

Not sure how that level of passive-aggressiveness will help you sell them here. 

Yeah, sarcasm / joking / passive aggressiveness can all be pretty hard to interpret, at least without some sort of emoji to accompany it. The whole first 1/2 of the response can be read as lighthearted or a-holeish. Hopefully I didn't stand up for the "wrong" type of guy earlier. But, he's new and may not know that AC, unlike MANY forums, is a generally very respectful community, despite some poking at each other and arguing here and there. It happens.

[ted_b]

Facilitator (Dan), please move this to its appropriate Circle (for sale: accessories).

Seller, I think, without much of a resume here, you might want to explain yourself and your product better, rather than just have your initial response be sarcastic.  I sold for 35 years, and never once won a sale by telling my customers they were trailer trash.  Especially since your competition sells these new for only $35 more and offers 30 day no risk return.

It's reasonable to assume anything in the isolation category needs to settle (into carpet, for example) over time, and therefore require "settling" but the break-in questions from members are also not unreasonable, given the rather simple product design at first glance, let alone the product category and it's historically debatable position among audio buyers.

[stehno]

You're right, Mr Bill.  It wasn't very nice.   I need to learn to refrain from speaking about my experiences of performance gains about such things as burn-in, settling in, cryo treating (vapor / full immersion), line conditioners, cable mgmt, proper AC mgmt, proper vibration mgmt, etc, etc.  especially when trying to sell something.

And though many of us are aware the industry is fairly saturated with snake oil product and personalities, it seems most any mention of performance gains only stirs up a hornet's nest in "high-end" audio forums.

[RDavidson]

Did you read ted_b's response at all?
Maybe AC isn't the place for you if you aren't a reasonable human being and can't explain yourself or your thoughts without getting your own "panties in a twist."

I'm done with this. You were given a perfect chance to redeem yourself, and provide simple explanation without attitude, but didn't take it. Good luck with your sale.

[Venkman]

I think you may be too elite for this forum, Stehno. 

Now, back to my cryo chamber/listening room. 

[stehno]

Gee, Dr. Venkman, I never thought of that way before.

RDavidson, yes, I did read ted's reasonable post but only after I already submitted my followup.  About ted's post:

1.  I'm selling a slightly used and very simple product.  I need not explain anything to anybody if I so choose.  It is what it is and there's plenty of info elsewhere about it.  In all honesty, I don't know why it works as well as it does. But I have a speculation or two.

2.  I thought it a bit rude for ted to suggest that "my competition" sells it new for $35 more and offers a 30-day mbg.  That may or may not be so, but mine were $350 new for this set and that appears to be the going rate unless they are on sale, which I've not seen.  In any case, that little tidbit had nothing to with anything, except to potentially further compromise my ability to sell these lifters.

3.  It is not reasonable for most to assume anything in the "isolation category" requires settling-in time.  One need only read sfox7076 post to see or perhaps even your own 1st post to see that it is not reasonable for some-to-many.  But I'm glad to hear ted seems to believe in potential settling-in concepts because he's right but he's one of very few, not many.

4.  Contrary to ted's comment about break-in questions from other members, I didn't see any legitimate questions to be answered.  sfox' had no question, he was just mocking my claim.  Even your question didn't seem to be much of question but more of a puzzlement.  Reasonable being the key word here and I didn't see anything reasonable to respond to regarding those 2 "questions".

5.  Since I believe that the attempt to isolate anything (assuming from vibrations) is contrary to the laws of nature and therefore an impossible feat, I saw nothing to comment on there either.

Is much of this stuff debatable as ted said?  Apparently to the vast majority.  But if it's debatable to most as ted suggests, then why don't most legitimately debate it, e.g. ask legitimate questions or even do something to experience it for themselves, rather than "debate" something here forever where where nothing can ultimately be proven or even determined to have merit?  Instead of spending everybody's time mocking somebody who has gone through the pains to experience it for themselves?

So yes, ted's post had merit and was reasonable and I appreciate his level of maturity, but that doesn't mean I was obligated to respond to it.

It's just a shame that you, sfox, Dr. Venkman, and perhaps others didn't approach the subject with ted's same demeanor.  Some of you calling me a newbee didn't exactly help neither.

So just like Dr. Venkman's last comment, my first response was simply to not waste any time and just meet you guys where it seemed you wanted to take this simple ad for a slightly use simple product all because of one little statement I inserted trying to be helpful.

Ultimately, it is my fault because I sometimes assume others come from similar experiences with something so simple as a cable lifter and maybe the odd but sensitive cable.  It is also my fault to believe that others would at least start off with a mature inquiry rather than something immature like, "Defying gravity does take time."  But it's just as erroneous for any of you to think nobody can experience something you haven't.

Let's be honest, my simple statement that it took 24-48 hours to reach full potential was as nonsensical and foreign to some of you as my saying the sky is red and you guys responded as such.  And frankly, I grow tired of it.

As far as I'm concerned, if anybody should apologize it's some of you.

[TJHUB]

I can't believe I'm posting to this awful thread, but this needs to stop.  Other than Ted's and srb's posts, I find the others rude.  I'd be pretty upset if I mistakenly posted a for sale thread and had a few people crap on it.  It's a for sale thread, not a review tread.  I really don't think people's opinions should be dumped all over it. 

Since when do post counts matter? 

Stehno:  Why keep posting to this thread?  Why?? 

Send this thread to the waste bin.  Stehno, post a new for sale thread in the right area, and consider leaving out your performance claims. 

Sorry for my comments, but I was very disappointed by what I was seeing in this thread.  You don't see this here, that's why this is the ONLY audio forum I stuck with over the years. 

[Letitroll98]

I for one didn't find anything stenho posted offensive at all. I took it as lighthearted and funny.  Getting upset at someone saying don't get your panties in a twist is pretty silly, it's a common statement.  Then he clearly explains what he meant by breaking in the lifters, which was quite logical whether you believe it or not.  Settle  down and get a grip members, wit and intelligence are always a welcome trait for new members, like a breath of fresh air.

So welcome stenho.  BTW, the comment about the thread suppose to be in the trading post is correct, Dan or the admins will move it there for you in short order, no worries.  Lastly, I would tell you that any publicity is good publicity, so all of the controversy should do nothing but make your listing more prominent.  Best of luck with the sale.

[RDavidson]

I'll be the first to apologize. I have zero issue admitting when I've done something wrong or if I can see how someone could interpret my words negatively. I shouldn't have called you a "newb" though my intention was to get others to back off. When you responded with negativity (at least I and others took it as negativity) it just wasn't cool. Like I said before, joking and sarcasm is really tough to interpret, without use of emoticons. They really help. In all honesty, my patience for bad behavior here has grown thin just from a few recent experiences in a thread I started not long ago. So my fuse, which is normally slow blow, got switched out for a fast blow.

Normally, I'm a reasonable person and it seems you are too, stehno. But we are human, and buttons get pushed and all hell breaks loose. I was honestly interested in how the elevators improved your sound over time. I will always stand by the fact that all our systems are different. All our rooms are different. All our ears are different. And thus all our experiences can be quite different. EVERYONE is entitled to their experience regardless of what others think. But sometimes others' genuine curiosity deserves attention. Of course you can choose not to explain, but keep in mind that this lack of sharing knowledge or experience can reinforce thoughts of snake oil, and that's not good either.

[ted_b]

Letitroll98,
Unless you were on this thread earlier you are looking at an edited thread.  The OP took out all his rude "trailer trash" references (that spawned comments that currently look out of place or misguided).  Revisionist history is tough to track as it usually makes no sense.

I agree with Terry (TJHUB).  Dan should repost the first sale post in Accessories and send this thing to the trash.  Let's start over.

[RDavidson]

I for one didn't find anything stenho posted offensive at all. I took it as lighthearted and funny.  Getting upset at someone saying don't get your panties in a twist is pretty silly, it's a common statement.  Then he clearly explains what he meant by breaking in the lifters, which was quite logical whether you believe it or not.  Settle  down and get a grip members, wit and intelligence are always a welcome trait for new members, like a breath of fresh air.

I somewhat agree, but the fact that even one or two other long term members took offense, says something about how stehno projected his response. At first, I was like.....OK.....was that funny or was that offensive or was it both? I let it go. But when others took offense, the balance of how I interpreted the message tilted to the negative side of the scale. Just as everyone is entitled to their experiences, they are also entitled to their feelings (good, bad, indifferent, etc). Unless you're CLEARLY trying to be funny, which just wasn't the case here, the use of emoticons can really save A TON of time and energy wasted on misinterpretation (good, bad, indifferent, etc).

.....but yeah, this should just go to the waste bin. A re-start should be in order. Stehno, if you don't want to deal with people, just post your item for sale, the price, condition, and location (in the correct area too). That's all. Short. Sweet. To the point.