Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp

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Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« on: 15 Oct 2014, 02:25 am »
I wanted a change from my passive preamp.   I have been lurking on AudioCircle / Audiogon and found preamp I have never realized existed..    Its  based on the ECC99 tube with magnetic coupled inputs and outputs.   Compared to my BENT Tap-X,    It has a bit more hum but is more visceral + dynamic presence.  The sound stage is a bit narrower  yet  more layered front to back.   Plenty of low level info too.   The 1st time I listened to Alicia Keys , I found myself startled.   I was like ' WOW '.   I have attached a couple pics of the interior.   Considered me an official fan boy of Elliot Studio Arts.   The Tap-X has been sold.     :thumb:

Dwight

(update : hum issue resolved )















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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #1 on: 25 Oct 2014, 05:52 pm »
Hey, I recognize that!  :green:

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #2 on: 29 Nov 2014, 03:46 pm »
Nice preamp! I used ECC99 as a driver in my SET with good results, with transformer coupled ins and outs I'm sure that's going to be a great preamp! I find a good tube preamp to be a cornerstone of a system and really defines it's character. If you're feeling up to it those electrolytics could be replaced by Clarity TC series film caps for a pretty large upgrade.




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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #3 on: 29 Nov 2014, 03:55 pm »
...If you're feeling up to it those electrolytics could be replaced by Clarity TC series film caps for a pretty large upgrade.

And so can the (massive cough)...Alps or Mouser Alpha looking pot.

Best,
Anand.

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #4 on: 29 Nov 2014, 10:35 pm »
I know you really liked your Tap-X. If you like this one better that say's a lot to me.
Changing caps is great if you can find some that fit the same space.
Enjoy your tubes.

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #5 on: 29 Nov 2014, 10:41 pm »
OP -- your description of the sound differences between an active and passive preamp is generally spot on.

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #6 on: 29 Nov 2014, 11:47 pm »
And so can the (massive cough)...Alps or Mouser Alpha looking pot.

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Anand.

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #7 on: 30 Nov 2014, 03:57 am »
Let me chime in here since I built the preamp we're talking about...

First off, thanks to Happy Rabbit for posting this up! I'm really glad you like the preamp. And thanks to everyone else for your thoughts. Here's a few of mine..

Yes, the ECC99 has a sweet sound but still remains accurate to the signal. I too use it as a driver tube for the 66 series power amps. The only problem is that there is no tube rolling since only one manufacturer produces this tube. Kind of a blessing in disguise; much work was put into operating points for the common cathode stages for lowest distortion. The tubes are matched for their gain and distortion characteristics and rolling in another tube would throw that off. They should last a good long time so frequent replacement will not be necessary.

The Alpha pot mentioned is the balance pot and not directly in the signal path. It bridges the L & R channels with the wiper to ground (shunt mode), and has a 10K resistor padding it on both sides (this way the balance works about 6dB in either direction, enough to compensate for most recordings). Sure I could throw a $10.00 Clarostat in here but it wouldn't make any difference and the Alpha pots have a nice 'feel' when rotated.

The ALPS pot: not super expensive like a switched attenuator but these have to be built to a price point after all. I'm sure that if I threw a $300.00 part in here it would increase the transparency somewhat but the cost increase would be exponential. Even though they are built to order and the sales are direct, small runs of parts and casework are very expensive and it all adds up (even shipping containers and packing is surprisingly expensive).

The electrolytics mentioned are PSU bypass caps; a 100uf bypassed by a 10uf bypassed by a .47ur poly. Each and every plate has it's own trio of bypass caps. The electrolytics are the Nichicon low impedance line and they were selected by ear for the best overall sound.
The main (outboard) regulated power supply uses Cornell Dublier and Nichicon caps.

Every product is a sum of it's parts, it's true. All my products are prototyped trying select different parts and the final configuration is chosen to maintain the ESA house sound. I have had some clients request other parts be used in certain areas and I will honor that request as long is the part fits and it doesn't throw off the overall sound of the unit. It retails for $3850.00 and is hand built, point to point. This preamp performs very well as you can see from Happy Rabbits' description above. That it can replace a well regarded passive unit says something!  :thumb:

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #8 on: 30 Nov 2014, 04:16 am »
It looks very nice Kevin  :thumb:

I designed my amp for the ecc99 but after looking into it I also rolled in some 12BH7As with good results. I think I remember bias around 9 mA / 240V... There are no new production tubes though AFAIK, though 12BH7s are pretty affordable NOS.

I agree our suggestions would not be inexpensive...  :green:

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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #9 on: 30 Nov 2014, 04:54 am »
Thanks Dave!
The 12FQ7 could also be substituted. Very similar specs! But either that or the 12BH7 would throw it off, maybe not enough to be audible but I want things to sound good AND measure good too. Someday I'll order some in and try them, could be good.. BUT, like many builders I prefer to use new production tubes in my designs so that there will be no shortage. Nothing like committing to a design and have key parts discontinued or run out a few years down the line!

Here's typical distortion vs. frequency:

The top line is frequency response, brown THD, red 2nd harmonic, tan 3rd, etc. Distortion is pretty constant with frequency, which is good to the ear.
Note that the distortion is predominately 2nd order. Transformer core saturation below 30Hz is evident.
Not terrible for a transformer coupled tube preamp. Those figures could be lower if I used CCS loads but I like to keep things simple and leave the solid state components in the power supply. I'm sure that CCS loads would change the sound too so I'll leave it to another line, maybe the 77 series, in the future (the 66 series product line house sound is very tight in the bass with an organic sweetness and clarity throughout the midrange and treble).


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Re: Elliot Studio ECC99 Preamp
« Reply #10 on: 30 Nov 2014, 04:59 am »


Here's a spectral plot of unity gain, -10dB in, -10dB out.