Hi Danny,
I’m back, to the despair of some AC members.
(( Guy, if he was that popular then I would have heard of him before.))
Danny, you cannot know all the speaker manufacturers…
In all honesty, tell me if there is one manufacturer’s name in the list below that you never heard of?
They are all Canadian manufacturers, therefore your neighbors.
• Angstrom Loudspeakers
• Athena Technologies
• Aurum Acoustics
• Coincident Speaker Technology
• Creative Sound Solutions
• Dahlquist
• Energy Speaker Systems
• Ethera Loudspeaker Systems
• Focus Audio
• Gemme Audio
• Gershman Acoustics
• Hansen Audio
• Hemp Acoustics
• LaHave Audio
• Lightning Sound
• Mirage Loudspeakers
• Morrison Audio
• New Form Research
• Paradigm
• Pro-Linear Electronics
• PSB Speakers
• Raw Accoustics
• RL Acoustique
• Quest
• Reference 3A Loudspeakers
• Revelation Audio
• Sinclair Audio
• Sound Fusion
• Space-Tech Lab
• StudioLAB
• Tetraspeakers
• Totem Acoustic
• Unity Audio
• Verity Audio
(( Most (not all) of the people that go with a first order crossover design do not have the means or the tools to do anything else. I see it all the time even from well known companies. I have had several bring their designs over for measuring and testing because they were not quite happy with them only to see that their speakers were riddled with more problems than they imagined. I have all their measurements to prove that. One company owner embarrassingly began to beg me not to tell anyone how his speakers really measured. ))
Give us the name of that manufacturer. Just joking, I know it would not be professional to do so.
I believe you on the above statement.
(( So it is not just a matter of one person liking one over another. First order designs have limitations. ))
Everything on this planet has their limitations. Even your design/speaker (Must) have some limitations. Yes or no?
(( That's true that my expectations are different. ))
Yes, I agree with that and that’s good. Everybody cannot be like Guy 13, that’s what my mother use to told me at one time in her life and I added to that: Thank God, if on this planet everybody would be like me, it would be hell.
(( I really don't know that he sold any real quantities. If you do a Google search on that speaker you mentioned it is hard to find more than just a few mentions of it. That says a lot. ))
To me, it’s says little, my wife’s company is small not that well know outside our circle of professional customers, does that mean we are not good. I think not. Your statement is… Incorrect.
Who does not know on this planet General Motors. GM was the largest car manufacturer in the world, look what happen to them. To me well known or known company is no better than little know company. How many people died with the ignition key problem ?
(( Even so, Bose sold a lot of speakers. That doesn't mean they are great. It means they were well marketed. ))
On BOSE example I agree, good marketing to make people buy overpriced audio equipment, the same could apply to Beat headphones and there are more. Marketing is a wonderful tool, if use properly.
The best marketing tool is good products at right price with customer’s referral.
(( The problems that I refer to are not a matter of opinion. They are fact. Provable, repeatable, measurable, and easy to see cause and effect. ))
O.K. No comments.
(( Where are they? I Googled the design got little to nothing. And for no more than he charged for that kit I wouldn't imagine expectations to be real high. I am sure that for the money it sounded fine. I am sure that the customers got what they paid for and are very satisfied. I have not knocked him or his speakers. I just can't find much on them. My remarks that you may have taken negatively were regarding the use of first order crossovers. ))
Good, I understand, but, they are now gone, so lets not wake up the dead.
I been visiting/following their products on their website (Now closed) and it look like an honest company. As a matter of fact I’ve been exchanging e-mails with the owner David Dutill and he’s ready to put aside a 95MKII kit for me until I have the 330 USD to send him. Does that means I will buy from him ? ? ? ?
(( Guy, it is all about the application. Note that the A/V-3 uses a transmission line. It effectively increases the output in the tuning range (40Hz). ))
That’s what I get now with my modified V2 that you sold me and they are big, not too big for now, but later when they put me in a small room for old fart, then they will be too big and my neighbors might complain about the boom boom they hear.
(( It works great in a sealed or ported design. I can even put them in a large transmission line and get them to hit a -3db of 30Hz or less, but the box size would exceed five cubic feet. So it wouldn't be practical. ))
Like I previously wrote, today no space limitation, but tomorrow ? ? ? So I scrap the idea of the M165.
(( Guy, you can do whatever you want. And you can change the design of my kits if you want. But I'd also like to see you get the most from my designs. I want you to have the best sound possible. I work long and hard to tweak each design. I'd love for you to experience.))
When I bought from you the N3TL and I’ve changed it to a wide face N3S some audio circle members were horrified that I have modified you proven performances original design. But you know what, my wife love how they sound for her Home Cinema. As for me, they are good but the V1 and the Omega are better in their own way or in certain areas.
(( The X-CS is an MTM design. There is a standard version. The X-LS Classic kit is just $109 for the pair. ))
From the information I have gadded from your website, I think the X-CS Classic with the option for a floor standing enclosure might be the way I want to go. I would fit nicely in my future microscopic room in the retirement home for old senile like me.
(( Yes, changing out the drivers would require the crossover be redesigned. ))
…and that something you don’t want to do or you don’t like to do, right? Too bad for me.
(( I do offer a 4 ohm kit just for guys that want a 4 ohm speaker. Here it is:
http://gr-research.com/av-2.aspx ))
330 USD for a 4 Ohms kit, no thank you.
(( Yes I know, and because you are a nice guy I am really hanging in there and trying to help you. ))
I wish some AC members would think like you, could you try to convince them of that, unless you don’t really think I am a nice guy and only say that to get an order from me.
Yes, it’s another one of my stupid jokes.
So, I am a nice guy and I am one of a kind.
Did you read that AC members.
That what Danny said and that is words of God…
(( Imagine if I were buying a camera and I asked you about a really cheap brand. And you tell me that it doesn't take great pictures and that you have one that will take a much clearer higher resolution picture. And I say, but many people buy this cheap camera and are really happy with it. Are they ignorant about good pictures? And how do you know yours takes a clearer picture? What if I am just as happy with less? Are you the picture taking God? ))
The above example is a good one and you know what, we don’t really sell cheap photographic stuff. However, we do have what I call entry level equipment, but my wife and I always ask the photographer what he wants and expect from his purchase and we try our best to recommend the best equipment to do the job. I think that’s what you are trying to do with me ???
(( And you know, if I were taking pictures in low light and you told me that I could use the flash that comes with your camera and it would take better pictures then I wouldn't act resentful of you telling me that. Even if I were happy with the pictures I'd still appreciate you offering something to me that would make it even better. ))
Humm, mmm, did I give you the impression that I don’t appreciate your help for suggesting me the best sounding speaker for my limited budget. I do appreciate your effort and I write effort, because you are putting a lot of effort and time for me.
Thanks a lot.
Well lets look at it this way, all that effort can benefit others and especially potential buyers, because they will see how patient you can be with customer like Guy 13 and that’s good for you and for me, of course.
Now, let get down to business (At last, at long, long last.
O.K. for the X-CS Classic at 158 USD/pair
But I want a floor stander unit and look as if you are asking for 25/30 USD more for extra wires, (That I have from your last shipment), Spikes (That I also got) and vent tube (That I can buy locally for 2 USD each at Dung Audio.)
Now, 158 USD/pair
Each enclosure with two 5.25” and a dome tweeter a pre-wired xover at 8 Ohms (I would have really preferred 4 Ohms) efficiency of 90dB (I would have really preferred 93 to 95 dB with my 2 wpc.) Enclosure plan I saw on your website, NoRez too expensive, I bought here some 1” high density foam and I have some lower density egg shell foam. I can make the cabinet with 1” MDF and keep the same internal dimensions.
Did I forget something ???
Now, the purchase cannot be done before middle of September when I get my tax return from Canada and the check has to clear with the HSBC bank in Hong Kong. Therefore, it could be toward the end of 2014.
Is that O.K. with you?
Then, it will be ship to my wife’s nephew in Seattle and he will find a relative or friend coming this way and willing to bring a small box; that is never small to them.
No transport, no custom tax and a price much below than my 330 USD budget.
That’s good, unless you come up with some extra up-grade that I don’t really want because my 66 years old ears won’t be able to enjoy.
I forgot, transport from your place to Seattle which should be less than 20 USD ? ? ?
Well can we call this an happy ending ordeal…Story.
I know, it’s a good thing that you only have one customer like me giving you a hard time or extra work to get a small order.
Now I know, some AC members will say that this crazy story is not over yet,
Guy 13 will screw up everything with his crazy modifications, well I will tell to those ????
I will try as much as possible to follow Danny’s design, this time.
Guy 13 on planet Vietnam.
My highly modified N3TL.
Parker Audio 95MKII kit.
The Parker Audio 95MKII finish product.
That's what the finish X-CS Classic with MTM up grade look like ?
In case some of you never seen my (Modifed, only an Audio 13 name plate)
Decware SE84C+
