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Comments on WBF:"sound I wanted to like: Vapor/Clayton- again, we have an integration issue. the mids/highs had promise on friday, but i was hesitant on the bass and thought it could be room related- however, upon a second listen perhaps the transmission line gave the dreaded 1-note bass or the woofer was too slow for the package. It was distracting."
I've done my share of shows now, and can say that was the most resonant room I've ever been in. Good news is that Glenn and Shelly from GIK said that next year they'll make sure that isn't an issue The bass was distracting, I was aggravated. That speaker has the most tuneful and resolved bass of any of our speakers, and some of the best I've ever heard. But that wasn't apparent at the show. In the front row it was MUCH more balanced, but the back row was a bit of a mess. Seasoned listeners should know that such a drastic change over a 3' distance points squarely at a room issue. At low volumes it wasn't able to excite the back wall and was much more balanced as well. But at higher volumes one could easily feel the back wall vibrating like a drum skin sympathetically with the bass, it was basically producing it's own much time-delayed bass track centered at 80-90hz. But, the reality is it's OUR job to give the listener tools they need to help deal with room issues. I've been in the car for about 1500 miles now, and among other things I'm doing in the passenger seat is designing a network that will give the listener bass room tuning options with the flick of a switch. And doing it in a way that will introduce minimal parts into the chain. It will be simple and elegant, I wish I'd done it before the show. Or at least wish I had called GIK prior and partnered with them at Newport. I'm sure feedback from this show will be split by those who sat in the front row, and those who sat in the rear. But it is looking like Joule White will make another appearance at the CA Show in San Francisco, with the room compensation network in place. Just to show how well our CNC cut tapering transmission line is working, take a look at this nearfield measured output. I know measurements don't mean much to many of you, but what this is showing is near textbook port performance with VERY low resonances. That means far less port resonance coloration, and better tone from the woofer - which just happens to be the finest woofer of it's size on the planet. So no, one-noteishness is NOT something the Joule will exhibit, but the room the Joule is in can.
Wow man.. That's insane!Do you do shows? Make audio equipment? What's wrong with options? I believe this is what sets them apart. Not to mention the lack of dealer and marketing mark-up on prices. I have been to a couple audio shows in the last few years (not this latest Newport, unfortunately). I have only heard a couple rooms where the systems sounded as good and were as finely tuned as my own system at home. It is not easy, and most vendors have new stuff to show that needs time to come around. A system that is run, tuned, and been at rest is not an easy task to accomplish in a 3 day event..While I have never heard or owned Vapor equipment, I will. Empirical Audio makes fantastic products. I have had several pieces from Steve, and they never fail to deliver the goods. I find his excuses legitimate based on my findings at shows.
Wow JHM. That was pretty rude. I'm all for solid criticism but rudeness discredits your message. This is their circle as well. Edit. Stereophile wouldn't give credibility for everyone. I won't read it anymore.
I stand by my post.If their marketing plan is no dealers and performance at Audio Shows, they screwed up, and if Steve is this big time Audio Show vet, then they need a new a partner. Get it right the first day of show or go home.
Stereophile testing would show if their website data is fact or fiction.Once again, if your marketing plans are based on performance at audio shows and you don't deliver the goods, you have a problem that fancy cabinets,expensive drivers and X-over components can't solve.Feel the force, don't force the feel.
What's the deal?
There is no doubt that hotel rooms are not ideal environments to demonstrate loudspeakers and do critical listening. We attend these events with a certain amount of forgiveness for the situation. I walk out of most rooms that are untreated and for the most part don't have a demonstration agenda. They just play music and expect the customer to get what is going on with the speaker. We expect our most prized vendors to walk the walk when it comes to demo time. You guys have a very special product. Please go the distance. I have been to two Newport shows where you have exhibited and been put off by the set up. I want to hear these speakers sing. Your products are on my short list for my next speaker purchase. Adding GIK as a partner is a great plan. Anyone that stopped by the Odyssey room will be ranting about the system. They got a quality demonstration and the room with minimal treatment by GIK that allowed the system to shine as the star it is. See you in SF. Looking forward to hearing what your speakers can really do.
Sometimes we forget the customer, yes the pesky customers expect to hear the best. Partner with GIK. Play a pre selected rotation of music. Set structured demo times. Do the old Bose three step. Tell the customer what they are going to hear. Give them the music then take it away and ask it they heard it. Tie that down and ask for the order. Answer questions while another person writes up the orders and inquiries. Perhaps Ryan is having the same entrepreneurial seizure every small business owner has in the beginning. Perhaps it is time to grow another person in the company that does public appearances and Ryan is just the man behind the curtain. The pro from dover, business manager and audiophile guru. It's not easy being a small business owner .
Sorry cheeseboy, I edited your post to the part I want to comment on. Do you realize how much flack they would catch from "pesky customers" (and a certain dynamic duo from AC who cover RMAF for Audio Circle each year) if they went to a structured, closed-door, their-music-only demo? They would get
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