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stereoal

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plugged or unplugged?
« on: 6 Feb 2014, 06:23 am »
My question: Does unplugging stereo equipment when not in use do more harm than good?
The issue: I have a four-year-old Bryston system with 7bsst2 amps, BP 26 preamp, CD 1 and DAC 1. I use the system once or twice a month on weekends. I unplug everything when not in use because I don't have a surge protector for the amps. My electrical service in that room is 15 amp and I don't want to buy a surge protector until I get a 20 amp dedicated line installed in about two or three years. I should note that only the amps are not surge protected. The other components are connected to a 10-year-old Monster Power Centre, but I unplug the whole thing when not in use.
My concern: I have heard that plugging and unplugging stereo equipment is not good for it. I've also had equipment malfunction after they've been left unplugged for several months or years. In addition, one of the output buttons on my Bryston DAC no longer works. It works with the remote, but not by pressing the button. It worked when it was new.
What should I do?: Lately, I been thinking I would use the system more often if it were left plugged in. But my concern for power surges stops me cold.

I welcome your comments/advice and whether my concerns are valid.

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Re: plugged or unplugged?
« Reply #1 on: 6 Feb 2014, 05:38 pm »
I don't know anything about electrical components for certain. I'm sure someone from Bryston can chime in.

I've been told that the worst thing you can do for electronics of any kind is turn them on. Going from no power to power apparently puts stress on the electrical components. I know the only time I've had any electrical component fail on me is when I turn it on, just like light bulbs... they only burn out when you turn them on, not while they are already on.

That theory works for engines though... going from cold to start is the most strain an engine will have under normal operating conditions.

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« Reply #2 on: 6 Feb 2014, 07:16 pm »
Get a Bit-20. I have everything plugged into including my 7BSST/2. If your going away for several days just turn the Bit off. I have terrible power where I live and the Bit-20 gives me piece of mind.

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Feb 2014, 07:49 pm »
It is a tradeoff. Unplugging is safe.
Mainly the real point is you do not use the system  very often. So yes I too would unplug it if I had an issue with surges.
Unplugging turned off equipment certainly does NOT hurt it.
Equioment which has been unplugged for Years may have problems being started. but not just unplugged for a few months.
The button issue has zero to do with plugging unplugging.

The truth that the start is the most stressful moment for a piece of electronic gear is true.
 Same way most incandescent light bulbs fail when you turn them on. Startup is tough.
Still with only usinga few times a month leaving them on 24/7 is foolish.

i leave my system turned on 24/7/365. Fine by me. But then i am listening to it every day all day.

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Feb 2014, 09:16 pm »
I had a Cotter preamp that had the power supply plugged in 24/7 for over 30 years.  Eventually, it failed.  I had a Bryston 4B that I turned on and off for 36 years and the only failure I had in all that time was the power switch.

The Bryston Technician up in Vermont told me despite what people say about leaving equipment on all the time, in his experience they last longer if you turn them off.  Also, if something should happen to an amp, it could blow your speakers out if you leave it on.

Finally, I don't know about other Bryston amps but my 4BSST2 had a soft start feature.

Although I have a BIT 15, I turn everything off when not in use.  I do leave the BDP-2 on during the day to save having to wait for it to boot.

Bud

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Feb 2014, 09:41 pm »
The Bryston Technician up in Vermont told me despite what people say about leaving equipment on all the time, in his experience they last longer if you turn them off.  Also, if something should happen to an amp, it could blow your speakers out if you leave it on.

There ya go :)

I guess I should clarify... I leave everything plugged in. Remote trigger of the SSP or macros on my remote turn them on. I never use the hard switches (except the BHA-1). Everything is plugged in to a Transparent Audio Powerwave though, so I don't worry about power issues.

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« Reply #6 on: 6 Feb 2014, 10:00 pm »
Everything is plugged in 24/7,only things I turn off are the 28's and projector.
All components and TorusX2 are on 24/7,Have done that for years.
My old Arcam AV-8 is still flawless and has to be 8 yrs now.
My Vac pre(tube) is always power up also.

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« Reply #7 on: 6 Feb 2014, 11:43 pm »

The Bryston Technician up in Vermont told me despite what people say about leaving equipment on all the time, in his experience they last longer if you turn them off.  Also, if something should happen to an amp, it could blow your speakers out if you leave it on.

Finally, I don't know about other Bryston amps but my 4BSST2 had a soft start feature.

Although I have a BIT 15, I turn everything off when not in use.  I do leave the BDP-2 on during the day to save having to wait for it to boot.

Bud

+1.  One of the primary benefits of the soft start on the SST2 amps is to protect the amp from the aforementioned power up stress.  I turn my 7's off with each use and factor in the 30 min. warm up to peak performance interval.  Really helps with the kwh totals on the electric bill as well.

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« Reply #8 on: 6 Feb 2014, 11:57 pm »
I never leave stereo equipment on unattended. I'd rather replace a power switch than a house.

Doc

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« Reply #9 on: 7 Feb 2014, 01:54 am »
I leave my bcd, bda and bp-26 on all the time, and shut off the 4bsst2. Does anyone know if the 4bsst2 draws any power with it plugged in but with the switch on the front panel off.It only gets unplugged if there is a thunder storm.

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« Reply #10 on: 7 Feb 2014, 01:55 am »
Or if i go on holidays.

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« Reply #11 on: 7 Feb 2014, 03:41 am »
I would never turn off my Bryston 4B-SST² amp every day. The sound really sucks (compared to after 8 hours left on) so I would be gnashing my teeth every day? no way..
I know PLENTY of you Bryston lovers will beat me down/thrash me for saying it. but this amp, like most solid state, SUCKS when it is turned on*, *compared to the sound after being left on for many hours.
Mainly the treble, And i am a treble nut. So take it all with a grain of salt.
So for me, leaving the amp on is a no brainer.
I have a friend who unplugs everything if she goes out. No problem. neither of us has had out home burn to the ground. even though I leave nearly a dozen electronic bits left on and playing* when i am out.
(*For my pets yes Mozart for them while i was at work.. 17 years of music playing for my Cockatiel if i was out) Made him happy, me too.)
Left on
Bryston BP-26
Bryston 4B-SST²
Bryston BP1.5
VAC Standard preamp
Furman REF20i
PS Audio P600
Adcom DA700
Sony SCD333ES
Yamaha ?735 or the 745, or the 835 I have several
behringer DEQ2496

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Re: plugged or unplugged?
« Reply #12 on: 11 Feb 2014, 12:27 pm »
My question: Does unplugging stereo equipment when not in use do more harm than good?
The issue: I have a four-year-old Bryston system with 7bsst2 amps, BP 26 preamp, CD 1 and DAC 1. I use the system once or twice a month on weekends. I unplug everything when not in use because I don't have a surge protector for the amps. My electrical service in that room is 15 amp and I don't want to buy a surge protector until I get a 20 amp dedicated line installed in about two or three years. I should note that only the amps are not surge protected. The other components are connected to a 10-year-old Monster Power Centre, but I unplug the whole thing when not in use.
My concern: I have heard that plugging and unplugging stereo equipment is not good for it. I've also had equipment malfunction after they've been left unplugged for several months or years. In addition, one of the output buttons on my Bryston DAC no longer works. It works with the remote, but not by pressing the button. It worked when it was new.
What should I do?: Lately, I been thinking I would use the system more often if it were left plugged in. But my concern for power surges stops me cold.

I welcome your comments/advice and whether my concerns are valid.

Hi

Generally speaking there are 4 basic advantages in my opinion to leaving things on:

1. The stresses on any circuit is much greater when they first get turned on so wear and tear are less of an issue if that cycle is minimized.
2. Circuit component parts expand when they are turned on and shrink when turn off (that's what she said1) - so there is less chance of capacitors and resistor parts etc, cracking over long periods of time.
3. There is always a nice constant thermal temperature on all the parts if left on so corrosion from air pollution and air born contaminants from landing and adhering to the circuit boards etc. is greatly reduced.
4. The engineers tell me I am delusional but I think my system sounds better when it has been on a day or so.

The down side to leaving gear on continuously is the cost of hydro obviously and the chance of damage during storms/spikes/etc. so a good surge and or isolation transformer like the Bryston BIT may be a good option.

So I listen to my system everyday so for me most times I leave my main system in Room 1 on all the time and I turn off the amplifiers in Room 2 and 3 and just leave the sources powered up. If I go away I always turn off all my components.

james
 

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Re: plugged or unplugged?
« Reply #13 on: 11 Feb 2014, 04:21 pm »
  I agree with plugged in except for any tubed component. At a minimum digital should be on 24/7.




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Re: plugged or unplugged?
« Reply #14 on: 11 Feb 2014, 05:14 pm »
I have 2 systems

All components always left plug in and in standby :thumb: