CD's into itunes

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Charles Calkins

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CD's into itunes
« on: 8 Jan 2014, 09:04 pm »
Hi Guy:
 I've downloaded CD's into my itunes library for years. They have changed the look of itunes so now I have to click on the import arrow. Works fine. No problems. BUTT!!! I now see that itunes gives me the options of importing five different ways. I haven't a clue as to which one is the best.

                                                                           They are:

                           AAC Encoder
                       
                           AIF Encoder

                           Apple lossless Encoder

                           MP3 Encoder

                           WAV Encoder

   
     Does anybody have a clue as to which one is the best? I have been using the AAC Encoder. Sounds good to me.


                                                                          Cheers

                                                                         Charlie

srb

Re: CD's into itunes
« Reply #1 on: 8 Jan 2014, 09:21 pm »
The import options were always there, but I don't think previously there was a button in the CD dialog - you had to go to the menu Edit > Preferences > General tab > Import Settings (and still can).

MP3 and AAC are compressed file formats limited to a maximum bit rate of 320kbps.  An uncompressed CD (16-bit/44.1KHz) has a bit rate of 1411kbps.

The majority of people can usually hear the difference in their systems between a 320kbps compressed file and an uncompressed file.  Personally I've found the difference is less apparent with sparse acoustic music and much more apparent with complex music where there is a lot more going on.

So I would recommend AIFF or Apple Lossless (ALAC).  Apple Lossless is compressed to save space, but it is as the name says lossless, as compared to the MP3 and AAC lossy compressed formats.  WAV is also uncompressed, but the file tagging information (Album, Artist, Artwork, etc.) is contained in the iTunes database and will be gone if you ever use the library with another music player program.

Steve

low.pfile

Re: CD's into itunes
« Reply #2 on: 8 Jan 2014, 09:32 pm »
Charles,
AIF (AIFF) and WAV will give you 100% reproduction of what is on the CD. All the others are compressed to save space. But Apple Lossless (ALAC) does a real time uncompression and very little is lost if any, as it is Lossless. While MP3 is a lossless compression format and throws away bits and while best for saving space and streaming it is not ideal for playback if you have the space.   AAC Encoder is usually perceived better sound quality than MP3 (high bitrate version) comparing lossy compressed formats,  but usually only iTunes can playback this format so it is not a universal format.

The cool thing is that you can compare yourself on your system with just one song.....
In itunes. first import a CD in AIF format (also check the Use Error Correction option)
after that is complete, then change the the import Setting (go to iTunes > Preferences > General Import Settings and choose another quality (eg MP3 128kbps)
You do not have to re-import the CD--just highlight a song you know very well, press Control and mouse click (or right click on a three button mouse) that song to get a pop up menu and you will see "Create MP3 Version", this creates a converted copy. You can then rename that new version adding a reminder to the song name (click on the name in itunes). From there, you can then repeat this process with a couple other format options. you need to start with the AIF or WAV version though. then listen to each.

WAV is also 100% copy but on a Mac you loose artwork tagging capabilities and maybe some other tagging feature, but the data of a WAV and AIF should be identical. I am sure there are tests out there that prove that .001 % is changed in one of the versions but you get the point.

I use AIF myself. That said, some songs sound very good in ALAC and even high bit rate MP3, it depends on the song, recording, and playback equipment.

I hope that helps a little. I am sure some experts will chime in with hard sampling rate facts, etc.

have fun.
cheers,
ed

geowak

Re: CD's into itunes
« Reply #3 on: 8 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm »
I have ripped about 900 CD's on my Mac. I used AIFF, as well, because it is lossless. I am very happy with the results. The Apple Itunes program just made it easy for me, so that is what I used. All my music is stored on an external HD. So that is another consideration. There are different ways to store music. I would think that is the other significant question..if you have many CDs.

low.pfile

Re: CD's into itunes
« Reply #4 on: 8 Jan 2014, 11:25 pm »
Charles,

here are some other AC threads on the topic:


AIFF or WAV ???  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=50267.0

New Mac Mini -What format to rip cd's ?  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=82788.0

AIFF vs. Apple Lossless  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=71146.0

toddbagwell

Re: CD's into itunes
« Reply #5 on: 9 Jan 2014, 01:25 pm »
I'm not sure if it is mentioned in the linked threads or not but:

1) ALAC is now open-source, no longer proprietary and should be supported for a long time by multiple devices.

2) AIFF and WAV do not have checksums, and there is the potential for corruption of the data without user knowledge. [feel free to correct me if I've been mistaken] FLAC does have MD5 checksums, and for example after ripping and transferring to various devices, the files can be checked to ensure they are bit for bit identical.

3) if AAC sounds good to you, enjoy it. if you compare it to lossless and don't notice a big difference, be happy you don't need to do anything else to enjoy your favorite music.

todd