Nice article on Shills...

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Marbles

Nice article on Shills...
« on: 14 Feb 2003, 04:46 pm »
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue5/auroville11.htm

I would like to think that I have friendships with most manufacturers who have forums on this site...to some extent this may bias my reviews of their products.  So as always take my reviews of their products with that in mind.


So far I have bought from:

Bent
Bolder
DIY Cables
GR Research (room treatment)
IRD (amps through nOrh) XO order in place
Modwright (second hand)
nOrh
Odyssey

I have heard products, but do not own any from :

Selah
VMPS
Adire
Ellis


I highly recomend them and all the other manufacturers here.

In addition I have bought cables from ACI and had wonderful customer service from them.

Am I a shill?  Yup, or at least a satisfied customer.

nathanm

Nice article on Shills...
« Reply #1 on: 14 Feb 2003, 05:36 pm »
That guy's wearing an amazing technicolor dreamcoat!

Usually it's fairly easy to see when you're being fed a line of crap on any message board.  When the praise or condemnation of anything is too extreme it makes me wonder if something nefarious is going on behind the scenes.  There's just certain phrases which normal people who actually own the thing and have nothing to lose or gain by praising or slamming it, simply never use.  When you see those goofy phrases you know you're getting probably getting a sales pitch.  Although, this can backfire on you.  For example, Norh used a quote from my SE-9 review posted here on their website.  Does it make me a shill?  Cripes, I hope not.  Reading my words in that context made me feel just a little bit dirty, even though there's nothing dubious about it.  

I learned a lot from the old softcover MAD book "Madvertising", which although it is a satirical work, does show many of the tricks used on us.  The stuff is still relevant today!  Marketing can take an honest, unbiased piece of text and put it in a different context and make the author look like a shill.  That is what I find most annoying; that so many things we read are taken out of their original context and made to say something different.  Movie reviews are the most gross example I would cite of this practice.  They will even reduce a review to one word most of the time!  What use is that?  Well, apparently plenty.  Stupid humans.

The difference I see with the vendors represented here is that most of them are devoid of the usual marketing cliches and for the most part they treat the buyers as intelligent enthusiasts and not "potential victims" as many others do.  The most annoying, full-of-shit companies are usually found to have some cheesy stock photo shot on the index page coupled with a bunch of melodramatic malarkey about how this fucking box of bolts will transform their life and connect their souls with the beauty of music.  Give me a break!

The companies who have offered up a demo model to be passed around seems like the best and most unbiased way to promote your stuff.  (if you don't have a convenient dealership on every corner, that is) Unless the vendor has paid off everyone in the list you're probably guaranteed an unbiased review of the thing.

hairofthedawg

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« Reply #2 on: 14 Feb 2003, 06:25 pm »
But aren't the good deals we get from the direct to consumer companies on this site in essence a payoff?  I know it's not directly one and I've yet to find a review on this site that I couldn't find the truth in, but I feel it influences me to report positively on the SL gear I bought at a great price.  I don't feel like a shill, but I definitely am not qualified to write a formal review on it.  I just like the way it sounds!  

BTW, I also own a Classe ssp-30 and a Bluenote turntable.  Not sure I like the Classe all that much but it works.  It has the most solidly built remote I've ever held.

cheers,

Dick

nathanm

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« Reply #3 on: 14 Feb 2003, 06:57 pm »
I'm not sure what your meaning is.  Do AC members get a special deal that other buyers don't?  :?  Who offered this? A "great deal" is relative to the buyer alone I think and one's own scale of price to performance.

Well anyway, to me it wouldn't matter.  Norh could send me an SE-9 for free to keep forever and I'd still give it an honest review.  They might never give me anything free ever again...but so what? :P  I used to get free CDs from various record labels and\or PR companies when I was doing my fanzine but they still got skewered if they deserved it.  Anything less would be dishonest and a disservice to the readers. (all fifteen of them!)

If companies receive nothing but praise from paid-off reviewers or users, then how will their products ever improve?  If there's nothing negative or critical about a review I just don't think it's realistic.  I can understand really liking something and gushing about it, but heck, nothing is perfect! Heh!

Marbles

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« Reply #4 on: 14 Feb 2003, 07:24 pm »
I think what Dawg is saying is that the manufacturers that are direct to consumer can offer their products for a lower cost than similar products offered through B&M stores.

That this is "the good deal" and the "payoff".

I would take this one step farther and say that it is nice dealing with the owner of the company in case something goes wrong...It's nice to know that you won't be on hold forever with someone who will not or cannot do anything for you.

All the guys that have forums here want you to have a happy experience and are willing to go out of their way (within reason) to make sure that happens.

JohnR

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« Reply #5 on: 14 Feb 2003, 07:31 pm »
Er, isn't this guy using completely the wrong word? I admit I only skimmed the article after reading "Let me "shpill" the beans on the audio shill" -- ooo, an exposay yawn...

hairofthedawg

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« Reply #6 on: 14 Feb 2003, 08:30 pm »
Thanks Marbles...that's what I didn't quite so clearly  state.

cheers,

Dick :oops:

The rest of what you said about forum participants here is also true.  I've yet to have a less than satisfactory experience with any of them!

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Nice article on Shills...
« Reply #7 on: 15 Feb 2003, 02:51 am »
Take everything you read online with a grain of salt.  Demo equipment for yourself and trust your own judgement.  Seems pretty simple to me. . .