Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?

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kenreau

Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« on: 17 Oct 2013, 05:15 pm »
I have a macmini with internal ssd (for OS) set up as my dedicated music server.  I have been using an outboard Oyen Digital MiniPro 2 TB firewire drive for my iTunes music library.  It is now 99.5% maxed out and slowed down significantly.  I purchased a second identical Oyen 2 TB FW drive and plan to daisey change them by plugging one into the other with a FW cable.

My question is, do I need to perform some kind of re-leveling of music files from the maxed out 1st drive to the new 2nd empty drive?  The original 2 TB drive has really slowed down as it has reached its capacity and my notion is if I say move 10% 20% of its files to the new drive that it will regain its former speed.  Going forward, does the OS provide some intelligent resource storage leveling? (ie it will place files on one hard drive up to say a 90% capacity and then redirect all additional files to the next hard drive?)


In addition, it is correct that I should also uncheck the "Copy files to itunes media folder when adding to library" and also uncheck the "Keep itunes media folder organized" selections?

Thanks
Kenreau

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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #1 on: 17 Oct 2013, 05:25 pm »
Why don't you RAID the drives????/



http://macperformanceguide.com/Storage-HowToSetupRAID.html


Should get you there.

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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #2 on: 17 Oct 2013, 07:09 pm »
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RAID

He would need to do a striped RAID to make the 2 disks look like one. To accomplish this he would need a 3rd drive. Also something you don't want to do without a backup (really you want a back-up anyway)

To maintain usability the OP really needs a larger drive (whether RAID or single disk), trying to keep your music library across multiple volumes is a PITA.

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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #3 on: 17 Oct 2013, 07:38 pm »
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My question is, do I need to perform some kind of re-leveling of music files from the maxed out 1st drive to the new 2nd empty drive?
I would say no at 90% capacity and just point iTunes to the newer drive, itunes will know the existing files are on the older drive and the newer files on the newer drive. 

At 99.5% I would reduce it 90%, but iTunes doesn't make the migration that simple. I would recommend to always buy a larger capacity drive for the replacement and let itunes copy the files.  If you also have video files on the old drive, you can probably move a few of those to get below the 90% target I like.  Also at 99.5% I would assume iTunes has already added media to your internal drive, so you might review that too.

If you purchased a larger drive you could have easily migrate by pointing iTunes to the new drive and then consolidate the library, it's that simple, but with 2TB it will take several hours to do the copy.   Keep in mind iTunes won't move or remove the old files.   With your approach do point iTunes to the new drive, but don't consolidate the library as you will have two full drives...

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The original 2 TB drive has really slowed down as it has reached its capacity and my notion is if I say move 10% 20% of its files to the new drive that it will regain its former speed. 
Have you measured the performance drop?   If there truly is one, and not another drive,  I would probably say it's time replace the drive.  I assume you do backups here, but the older the drive the more likely they are to fail. 

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Going forward, does the OS provide some intelligent resource storage leveling? (ie it will place files on one hard drive up to say a 90% capacity and then redirect all additional files to the next hard drive?)
Nope, you could do RAID0(a stripe) as noted or or JBOD, but using FW or USB drives on something that I consider reliability is more important then speed it's not worth it as a single point of failure kills the volume.  Also if you do RAID0 you really want identical brand, model and capacity.

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In addition, it is correct that I should also uncheck the "Copy files to itunes media folder when adding to library" and also uncheck the "Keep itunes media folder organized" selections?
Point iTunes to the new drive and leave both of those enabled so any new files you add go to the new drive and also to keep the new files organized.   When sharing 2 drives, don't ask iTunes to "consolidate the library".


Before you do anything though, make sure you have all of this backed up.   It's easy to make mistakes.

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kenreau

Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #4 on: 17 Oct 2013, 09:21 pm »
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Fwiw, I do have a 4TB WD outboard hard drive I use for back up.  That could be the 3rd drive referenced below to use as I reconfigure the two 2TB drives for a RAID0/stripe config.   The Oyen 2TB minipro is (was) the largest drive available in that 2.5 form factor with the prefered chipset, FW and USB ports, etc.  They are really slick designs and very quiet/nearly silent.

I need to search further, but I think I recall reading that in this daisey chain configuration that the macmini would only see one larger drive (?).  If so, would that trip up going the RAID0 route?  Maybe I should just wipe/delete the two 2TB Oyen drives files, plug them in the daisey chain and copy back over my files from the 4TB back up drive?

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Kenreau


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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #5 on: 17 Oct 2013, 09:42 pm »
Get a NAS!

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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #6 on: 17 Oct 2013, 10:19 pm »
but I think I recall reading that in this daisey chain configuration that the macmini would only see one larger drive (?).  If so, would that trip up going the RAID0 route? 

When you plug in 2 FW drives you see 2 volumes. Drives on FW are not ideal for a stripped RAID.

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Re: Set up daisey chaining FW drives on a mac?
« Reply #7 on: 18 Oct 2013, 10:19 am »
Striping (RAID 0) is spreading a file over multiple disks.
This increases throughput.
Obvious as the file is spread over more than 1 disk, if one HD fails , this invalidates the whole set.
Likewise JBOD, sounds nice, seeing 2 disks as one but again if one HD fails you, it invalidates the whole set.

As audio is very slow (playing a CD is approximately 600 Mb/hour) you should not have an performance issue unless a drive is filled to the brim and the files are severely fragmented.

Your best bet is probably to wipe the disks, restore a backup and you have all files nicely as contiguous files on the HD. This should solve the performance issues.

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