Mayweather vs. Canelo

jimdgoulding · « **on:** 5 Sep 2013, 12:34 am »

Not having seen Canelo fight, I'd like to poll you guys. Is this gonna be a contest? Does he have enough speed to give Floyd trouble? Have knockout power? If you haven't heard, Mayweather is getting a guaranteed 41.5 million for this fight. Canelo is getting 12 m. Manny P has one coming up, too, right? And haven't Marquez and Bradley signed to fight? Marquez has got to be slowing down some and Bradley is quick as lighting. Got foot speed, too. Manny couldn't KO him.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #1 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 01:47 am »

Give Floyd trouble, yes; at least for the first half of the fight or so. Beat him, don't think so. He's big and he does have real power, but the differences in natural talent and experience/quality of opposition are just too great. He will give Floyd some tough work early on, but once FM figures him out he's gonna get schooled IMHO. He's got good boxing skills but boxing with Floyd would be a serious error. There's always that puncher's chance though. I say Floyd by wide decision.

Plenty of clips on youtube if you want to do some investigating.

Rob Babcock · « **Reply #2 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 04:30 am »

Floyd and his teams are masterful researchers. I'm sure they're convinced that the guy isn't a real threat or no way in hell Mayweather would be fighting him. His best dodging and defense is outside the ring!

dB Cooper · « **Reply #3 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 03:39 pm »

As far as Marquez-Bradley, I don't see Marquez being a big threat to Bradley. Too small and too many city miles on his odometer. Manny hit Bradley with everything but his ring stool and couldn't put him down. Bradley is a lot younger and fresher than Marquez, has good boxing skills, and isn't likely to walk into a KO punch while not paying attention like Manny did. But if Marquez is juicing like some claim, who the f*** knows.

jackman · « **Reply #4 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 04:49 pm »

Hi Guys,

I'm a fan of the young Canelo but don't think he has the experience to beat Floyd. Floyd is a HEAVY favorite in this fight, something like -280 (you bet 280 to win 100). As a previous poster said, Canelo has a puncher's chance...and he has knockout power. Don't expect Floyd to stand there and trade punches with this guy. Floyd is a brilliant defender and he moves his feet and head very well, and he has speed along with good power. I recall Floyd getting hit more often than expected by Ortiz, who is not as good as Canelo, before Ortiz lost his mind (I hate that guy for being so stupid) and lowered his hands to give Floyd a kiss...and getting sucker punch KO'd in the process. Don't expect Canelo to serve his chin up on a silver platter in similar fashion. I hope Canelo makes this a FIGHT and uses his superior physical strength to pin Floyd against the ropes, rough him up and hit him with shots. He may have to take a couple shots to give one but it is his only shot. Still, if PBF fights his kind of fight, I can't see him losing.

Regarding Bradley/JMM. I like JMM in this fight. The guy has been hit a lot...A LOT...in his career but he's a warrior. Also, Bradley gets hit quite a bit and JMM is a good puncher. Manny whipped Bradley, despite what the judges said, but Bradley looked good in his last fight. Of courese, JMM knocked Manny out in spectacular fashion. It should be an entertaining fight if Bradley chooses to make it one. We all know JMM has a lot of heart and will fight the only way he knows how to fight, moving forward. Bradley has a style that is less than entertaining when he goes into a shell and when he uses his head as a weapon. I don't expect JMM to stand there and take it without giving him some of his own medicine in return. Also, both guys get hit a lot so this could very well be a good, entertaining fight.

As far as juicing is concerned, it would not surprise me if any or all of these guys are juicing. JMM looks really pumped up, but so does Manny (compared to how he looked years ago). As Ryan Braun (baseball) taught us, juicers don't all look like Mark McGuire. I'm amazed so many older boxers (Floyd included) are able to stay so sharp, strong and fast, late in their careers. Better living through chemistry?

Chazro · « **Reply #5 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 07:54 pm »

The thing about the Mexican Fighters (Marquez & Canelo) is you practically have to hit 'em with a baseball bat to put them down. I don't see Floyd knocking Canelo out, which means he'll really have to be on his bicycle to stay away. Which means this can very possibly be a snoozer, wouldn't be the 1st time for Floyd. Marquez is gonna knock Bradley out, early.

jackman · « **Reply #6 on:** 5 Sep 2013, 09:39 pm »

Ortiz is Mexican and PBF knocked him out. Canelo is young and strong but I'm afraid Floyd will let him burn all of his energy in the first five rounds and finish him off when he's tired. Canelo has never faced anyone like Mayweather and I'm not sure he's ready. He's going to have to pound his body to slow Floyd down. Floyd is too slick to get hit with a single shot and I wouldn't underestimate his speed and power. I hate the PBF and how he gets knocked out cold but I wouldn't count on it.

I'm actually excited about both of these fights! The JMM Bradley fight looks to be more entertaining.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #7 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 01:19 am »

Quote from: jackman on 5 Sep 2013, 09:39 pm

Ortiz is Mexican and PBF knocked him out.

Well, yeah, but remember, Ortiz was literally looking the other way at the time... he had it coming though after what he did.

jackman · « **Reply #8 on:** 6 Sep 2013, 03:24 pm »

I agree, what an idiot! He had Floyd in some trouble and literally gave him the fight. Canelo needs to try to rough up PBF and make this a fight. If he gets cute, Floyd will eat him up. It will not be pretty.

The young Mexican is a tough kid and I hope he doesn't wilt under the bright lights. This is by far his toughest opponent. I'm afraid Floyd is going to make him miss and then make him pay. Hopefully Canelo can catch him with some clean shots...not an easy proposition.

For the record, I hate Floyd but respect his talents in the ring. Other than his age (although he doesnt show it) and irritating attitude/tendency to showboat, he has almost no weakness in the ring and is probably the best boxer on the planet. Expect Floyd to come into this fight in excellent shape and expose the younger man's weaknesses with his speed and ring generalship.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #9 on:** 7 Sep 2013, 10:16 pm »

See, that's where I have a little doubt... Castillo, Ortiz, and Cotto were all able to put at least some pressure on Floyd. There were even some who thought Castillo beat him the first time. However, those guys (Castillo and Cotto anyway) were more "battle tested" against quality opposition than Canelo. He does have a puncher's chance; but Floyd showed (against Mosley in particular) that while he didn't inherit his father or uncle's KO power, he didn't inherit the family glass jaw either. Still hard to pick Alvarez here though. But if he loses, a loss to a Hall of Famer doesn't really hurt him that much unless he totally embarrasses himself. Overall though, I agree with jackman's breakdown of the matchup.

Canelo's game plan should be work the body ONLY for the first 4 rounds. Then start mixing in the head shots. Floyd is going to try to sucker him into headhunting. If he succeeds in hypnotizing Alvarez this way (and he probably will), it will be a relatively easy fight for him.

jimdgoulding · « **Reply #10 on:** 7 Sep 2013, 11:14 pm »

If I remember right, I thought Cotto was beaten soundly and Pretty Boy showed us that he does know how to protect his jaw. And, of course, Manny beat Bradley without question. But, Bradley got some coin and the opportunity to make a bunch more and as I like the kid, there is a silver lining in that cloud for me. Manny is, or should be, fixed for life. I hope Bradley's fight with Marquez is on the up and up and not just a three part play. I saw Manny and his next opponent on ESPN's First Take awhile back. Dunno anything about his opponent except that he is one happy kid. He's gonna get paid some real money.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #11 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 12:53 am »

Cotto was indeed beaten soundly. He was able to hit Floyd enough, and hard enough, to make Floyd work a lot harder than he likes to to do it, though.

Oh, and regarding Manny vs Rios, I think it's a pick'em fight. I'm actually leaning towards Rios. He's crude but Manny's going to need to KO him to win IMHO. Not sure he can do it. The kid's chin is concrete.

Here is a good 5 min highlight reel

Chazro · « **Reply #12 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 01:01 am »

Read today that Floyd was knocked down for the FIRST & ONLY time in his career from a body shot while sparring on Thur.! He than got up and proceeded to beat the shit out of his sparring partner. This happens to all fighters at some point but.....dayum!!!;)

dB Cooper · « **Reply #13 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 01:06 am »

Hope that's a sign. Like jackman, I would love to see Floyd lose.

(Oh, and if any of Canelo's people are here

, tell him what I said... WORK THE BODY)

jimdgoulding · « **Reply #14 on:** 8 Sep 2013, 01:57 am »

Db, thanks for your excellent post. To quote Chazro, dayum! That was some kinda battling. I'm kinda fearful for Pacman. Think he better use his legs and box this fellow some. He doesn't need to be standing inside and trading with this young lion.

Vapor Audio · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 Sep 2013, 05:40 am »

Dammit another waste of $75 on this PPV. The best fight of the night was Cano winning. Matthysse couldn't fight half the rounds from a closed eye, and Floyd proved once again he's the best boring fighter of all time. Or would that be the most boring great fighter of all time ... whatever, I hate watching Mayweather fights.

After the Bradley Pacquiao fight I was totally turned off to boxing. I bought this fight hoping to see Canelo put Floyd down like Mosley almost did, instead I saw a pop-shotting shoulder-rolling snooze fest. When is the last time Floyd hurt somebody?

For all of Floyd's talk of "giving people what they want", how about actually fighting somebody?

jackman · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 Sep 2013, 01:46 pm »

Ryan,
I agree with you, and I can't recall the last exciting PBF fight. The only thing I dislike more than his fighting style, is his irritating punk, cocky personality. I'm never giving this guy a dime. He has proven that he can win fights against hand-picked opponents but that's about it.

I also officially hate Canello for not finding a way to at least remind Floyd that he was in a fight. F'ing ginger!

Vapor Audio · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 Sep 2013, 05:24 pm »

Thinking about it more today, I'm really sore about the whole night of fighting. Just a waste of money and time, should have waited a week and watched it for free.

Canelo didn't get 'picked apart' and 'dominated' at all like the internet pundits have been saying. He was frustrated at times and flat footed, but got quite a few stiff hard jabs through and a couple hooks, they just didn't have much effect on Mayweather. Overall the fight was exactly what we expected, Mayweather was elusive and accurate, but landed nothing of any substance. Canelo for some reason decided to try and box from the outside, and never really pushed the action. It was just a boring fight.

I was just as interested in the Garcia Matthysse fight, and that one was frustrating as well. Matthysse looked like the spotlight got to him, early on he was just winging big looping punches. When his eye closed you knew Garcia was going to win. With only one eye, Matthysse missed some puches by 3 feet ... literally. His depth perception was gone. I'd like to see a rematch of this one.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #18 on:** 16 Sep 2013, 03:09 am »

Quote from: Vapor Audio on 15 Sep 2013, 05:40 am

Dammit another waste of $75 on this PPV. The best fight of the night was Cano winning. Matthysse couldn't fight half the rounds from a closed eye, and Floyd proved once again he's the best boring fighter of all time.

Well put. I thought Floyd was going to "hypnotize" Canelo and that's pretty much what he did. Canelo was "looking" and "thinking" too much from the outset and not letting his hands go. When I saw him backing up from a fighter he outweighed by fifteen pounds (and supposedly had a big power advantage over), I knew the writing was on the wall.

dB Cooper · « **Reply #19 on:** 18 Sep 2013, 03:48 am »

ESPN is reporting that the judge who had Canelo even with Floyd (and Bradley "beating" Pacquiao) is stepping down "indefinitely".