My ongoing experience with DEQX

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this_is_vv

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My ongoing experience with DEQX
« on: 23 Aug 2013, 02:33 pm »
So after a month i was SUCCESSFULLY configure the DEQX as a 3 way active Xover,Phase ,speaker correction and use it as well as a DAC . ALL IN ONE :)... :dance:...

I moved from DCX 2496 to deqx hdp3.Again all the comparison is gainst my DCX2496 as XO and tubedac11 as dac/preamp earlier now DEQX is doing both

some lessons learned....

  • It is pain in the  *** to configure it first time...
  • read the manual atleast initial 50 pages just to get measurement right...
  • This thing works you need patience for it...
  • Configuring the filters and speakers are ongoing process...

Now some of the observation again its only been a day(though listened for close to 6 hours )  and i will keep on adding.

  • I had Tubedac11 earlier the DAC of Hdp3 is OK i think i liked the tubedac better again as time progress i can tell
  • believe it or not i dont like the calibarated sound
  • Using it as a simple 3 way crossover the voice is to die for...i have never listened anything on my speaker like this...
  • Once you get the hang of it ,it is super easy to play with..
  • the soundstage the depth is just amazing adding this...
  • i think there is some issue around vocal i am not sure yet it is because of internal DAC or the crossover .As a crossover and may be room and speaker measurement it rocks but for DAC i will give it some time
  • Imaging has improved tremendously
  • voice has more life in it.

this is all  i have for sometime now....

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #1 on: 23 Aug 2013, 02:41 pm »
I'd love to see some of your measurements that you used to set it all up with. 

Congrats!

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #2 on: 23 Aug 2013, 03:00 pm »
I'd love to see some of your measurements that you used to set it all up with. 

Congrats!

i will send you my mzd file it can tell u a lot...

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #3 on: 23 Aug 2013, 03:06 pm »
i will send you my mzd file it can tell u a lot...
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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #4 on: 23 Aug 2013, 03:11 pm »
post for all!

Will do curious anyone else have opinion about the DAC of this UNIT???


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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #5 on: 23 Aug 2013, 03:51 pm »
I run a DEQ2496 with Scott Endler modded DAC.

My 56 year old ears are happy enough with it to sell the original Eastern Electric DAC (with recommended tube upgrade).

You're right about the complexity of the Behringer gear, I just recently (via two private help links) managed to EQ using the matching mike.  But the effort (20 - 250 Hz) was well worth it.  Flat frequency response does sound better and helps "make sense" of the overall sound.  IMO much more valuable than a new pre-amp, DAC, or power amp.

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #6 on: 23 Aug 2013, 04:01 pm »
I run a DEQ2496 with Scott Endler modded DAC.

My 56 year old ears are happy enough with it to sell the original Eastern Electric DAC (with recommended tube upgrade).

You're right about the complexity of the Behringer gear, I just recently (via two private help links) managed to EQ using the matching mike.  But the effort (20 - 250 Hz) was well worth it.  Flat frequency response does sound better and helps "make sense" of the overall sound.  IMO much more valuable than a new pre-amp, DAC, or power amp.

Nice i never had DCX2496 configured that way....i am using DEQX dac and so far not so happy....

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #7 on: 23 Aug 2013, 04:02 pm »
Rockin'!!  Congratulations.  Are the new settings satiating your bass needs for the moment or are you still desiring a subwoofer?

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #8 on: 23 Aug 2013, 05:28 pm »
Rockin'!!  Congratulations.  Are the new settings satiating your bass needs for the moment or are you still desiring a subwoofer?

this is funny.....when i let the DEQX do all the correction for flat response the bass is beautiful....but when i just use simple 3 wayh XO...NOPE bass is not there...

good thing i can test the same thing in click of button so i cna see the difference ...

i will do some equalization and then see....

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #9 on: 27 Aug 2013, 08:28 pm »
Not sure to create any other topic....but i wanted to know ...what would addition of a DAC would bring in picture...i am thinking of DSD based dac and Mytek is high on list as it has various input and my front  left and right on top of being as audio speaker are used as Left and rght for home theater... so i need a DAC that can take analog input ...

but what keeps me bothering is...after the DAC there still would be A/D -> D/A conversion as i am using this as active crossover....

anyhelp or input...

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #10 on: 28 Aug 2013, 10:35 am »
Hi vv, I'm not sure I follow... are you going into the DEQX' digital input?
 

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #11 on: 3 Sep 2013, 08:33 pm »
Hi vv, I'm not sure I follow... are you going into the DEQX' digital input?

Yes i am taking M2tech hiface and using the USB to SPDIF and inputting it into the DEQX....and there other input is CA input from my front left and right of receiver....

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Re: My ongoing experience with DEQX
« Reply #12 on: 25 Nov 2013, 01:40 am »
VV,

I have owned my DEQX HDP3 for almost 2 years now.  I set it up myself.  Since I have been a speaker designer builder hobbyist for about 25 years, I found it a lot of fun (work too) to get the setup to where I like it.

You should know that you cannot add a DAC outside of the DEQX because no matter what you do - you will end up going thru the ADC and then DAC of the DEQX.  In other words the last DAC you hear will be the DEQX.

The overall sound quality is stunning on my system.  I am not using the speaker correction/eq and have manually tweaked room eq. (using up all the memories) and I have sub delay correct.  I did not like at all what the auto settings for driver eq and group delay created for me.  I may take another crack at them in the future.  But for now I am enjoying the music too much to bother wringing the last 5% out of the DEQX.
 
I am running Carver 60" ribbons (35W tubed Cary) into 11" Etons in custom cabinets (200W transistors). Crossing over at 200 Hz low pass and 190 Hz high pass, 48 db/octave.  It goes stunningly loud.  I can almost not hear the kevlar woofer cone mode at 800Hz.

I have set up the memories for 4 eq settings and use them constantly for variable bass lift/cut.  The parametric eq I have set up for more judicious tayloring.  Specifically I have the mid eq set at 3.5khz, 1 octave wide - to handle sibilance on those CDs where the recording engineers forgot to replace their hearing aid batteries before mixing. 

I vary eq for each and every track I play (as required, many do not require any action).  A far cry from the no eq audiophile days of yesteryear.  Now I don't have to suffer thin recordings followed by bloated ones, screachy vocals followed by distant singers.  I used to think that was what accurate was supposed to sound like.  What a maroon.  As if any recoding engineer knew what my playback system was going to be...  Now I can enjoy all my early transitor mixed 70s music with early digital 80s music as well as 1960s tube mixed RIAA compromised tunes.  Even today's fully compressed pop music can sound amazing.  The DEQX has allowed me to make them all listenable and tuneful.  This has been a significant improvement to my music enjoyment.  Pure serendipity.  The feature that I most like and use was never a purchasing point.

So from an eq perspective I can make my speakers sound like almost anything I want to (freq balance wise). I can't change their normal harmonic character, or the room modes that come with my house.  Don't let eq experts tell you otherwise.  If you have a peak or null at 60 hz - you can eq it a bit but the mode or null is structural - you needs traps etc to truly manage those.

I have concerns with my DEQX and Bryston BDP-1 integration and handling for 24/96 files (clicks and pops on startup).  But if it would play 24/96 pop free and maybe play 24/192 I would be 100% pleased.  As it stands it plays 16/44 flawlessly and all of my FLAC converted CDs sound way better than from any CD drive I have tried. 

I haven't bothered with chasing upgrades because this is as good as it gets for me.  I have not heard its equal at any price, anywhere.  I think I can give the credit to the DEQX and BDP-1.  I think you have a setup issue if you do not like the sound quality of the DAC. Because frankly I can't hear the DAC.