Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated

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neekomax

Hey, so I kind of blindly picked a cool looking all tube amp up off of eBay for a very reasonable sum, and it arrived today!



I've never had a tube hifi amp in my system (although I do own a '69 Fender Bandmaster guitar amp), and I wanted to see what all the fuss was all about. I've been into home audio for a couple of years, and in that time I've had a Yamaha HTR 5660 receiver, a Peachtree Audio Decco integrated, an Acurus DIA-100 passive pre integrated, and most recently, a pair of Tube Audio Design Hibachi II mono blocks (200 watt solid state), all of which I've bought used, none of them have been over $800, most closer to $500. I figure I'd rather spend a bit less buying used, and be able to try out different topologies and types of gear, see what I like. 

So, this latest amp was on a bit of a whim. Fell within the general budget, seller seemed cool enough, so I went for it. Won the auction, sweet. Emailed the seller with a bunch of questions that I probably should have asked before bidding  :lol:, and he answered to the best of his knowledge. He shipped quickly, and within a couple of days, voila.

Slight hiccup, turned out that one of the transformers somehow came loose in shipping. Found the screws in the box, and took off the bottom panel to retrieve the nuts, which I quickly found inside. However, couldn't manage to screw the transformer back down (too much electronic stuff and wires in the way), so, f it, just left the transformer sitting on the amp in place. I'll get it dealt with at some point.

By the way, this thing weighs a TON! Was not expecting such a huge, heavy piece of kit. I'm talkin' at least 65 lbs, maybe more. It's got 4 direct coupled power tubes, 5 other slightly smaller ones, and 4 small (input?) tubes up front - as you can see, I have no clue about tube amps  :lol:. A little embarrassing that I bought this thing without knowing the slightest thing about it.  :oops:

But it turns out that it is AWESOME sounding!!!! Now I know what the whole fuss about tube amps is. The midrange is super lush and warm, the highs seem a bit rolled off (but I have good DSP EQ in my DAC/processor to compensate), but the best thing is the holographic sounstage - HELL YEAH!!! My Dad came by (no interest in audio, he's a civilian) while I was listening the first hour. First thing he says - no prompting - 'hey, that music sounds really nice'. Total cliché, but totally true. The other thing that I was not expecting is that it is LOUD AS HELL with my 87 db sensitivity speakers. Huh? I'm talking maybe louder than my 200 wpc ss monos. I have it at 11:00 and it is cranking! How is that possible?

I emailed Pete McAlister, the designer/buider. I am the third owner, it seems. He said it's a class A single ended amp producing 12 watts per channel. I don't know if it's triode or pentode or what - and I honestly have no clue what any of that shit means anyway. I'm going to try and talk to him on the phone to find out as much as I can about it. 



Captainhemo

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #1 on: 30 May 2013, 11:30 pm »
Cool.  glad you  are enjoying it  :thumb:
I don't know  a hell of a lot about tube amps m slef as I also just got my first. I also  had very similar  observations  with mine and am loving the sound
Congrats man  :)

-jay

ken

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #2 on: 30 May 2013, 11:50 pm »
Sounds you got yourself a real nice amp there &  does appear to be a SET,  and the reason it sounds as powerful as it does is probably due to the high quality output transformers.  You certainly could have done a lot worse than this for a first tube amp.  Congrats :thumb:  This was taken direct from the Ebay ad:

The SE-32P utilizes a pair of horizontal output tubes paralleled in triode mode to produce 15 watts per channel. The input stage for each channel utilizes my proprietary constant current/infinite plate load resistance design that combines both triode sections of a 6N1P as the voltage amplifier and a 6CL6 as the current source. This is a true constant current source that will properly respond to the signal / voltage changes without a resistor dropping large amounts of voltage, typically in standard Mu follower circuits. This circuit design operates the input tubes at optimum linearity and is not subject to high plate load resistance or internal tube resistance to set the gain & linearity characteristics. The driver stage for each channel uses a 6SN7 of which one triode provides drive regulation and the other triode directly drives the output tubes- no coupling capacitors are used! The only capacitors in the signal path are between the input and driver stage. The output stage for each channel consists of two 12DQ6 horizontal sweep tubes paralleled in triode mode operating in class A. Without coupling capacitors each output tube receives the identical signal and therefore both output tubes can be electrically considered as one tube. The output transformers are custom designed and hand wound by McAlister Audio with four primary and three secondary interleaved sections with each layer varnished prior to insulation. A separate well regulated bias supply with external top chassis mounted adjustments. The power supply has over 2,000uF of initial capacitance bypassed with film capacitors. Electrolytic capacitors are only used in the power supply and never in the signal path. Plate voltage is delayed 40 seconds automatically on turn on to prevent cathode stripping. This proprietary circuit uses a damper tube and relay circuit producing an automatic controlled delay. Wiring is point to point with no circuit traces. A Separate power supply chassis that contains only transformers and relays with all rectification and regulation in the amplifier chassis. Only AC travels through the umbilical isolating D.C. signal voltages ensuring no possibility of interference.

Build Features:
Only film capacitors in the signal path
 Hardwired point to point
 Proprietary input and driver stage design directly connected to the output tubes
 Special output transformer design
 Thermal delay to prevent cathode stripping
MSRP.$2295

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Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #3 on: 30 May 2013, 11:54 pm »
It's about time.
Congratulations!

Freo-1

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« Reply #4 on: 30 May 2013, 11:55 pm »
Welcome to the world of Low Wattage systems.   Enjoy the ride.

ken

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #5 on: 30 May 2013, 11:57 pm »
Didn't realize it was an integrated.  Sweet!

Ericus Rex

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #6 on: 31 May 2013, 12:07 am »
What's the tube complement?  I see what may be 6SN7s and 6EM7s but those skinny tubes and the power tubes are unfamiliar.

Met Peter McAlister at a show once.  Seemed like a real nice dude.

neekomax

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #7 on: 31 May 2013, 12:07 am »
Thanks all!

Yes, apparently it was a special order build, as Pete McAlister apparently doesn't build integrateds normally. It's funny, 'cause it came with interconnects to connect the preamp stage outs to the power amp stage ins. The seller didn't know why he designed it that way.

Here's his website, in case you're curious: http://www.mcalisteraudio.com

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Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #8 on: 31 May 2013, 12:08 am »
McAlister amps are very powerful sounding and use unique designs. I have the PP-150-8 which, while not the prettiest amp around, does a great job controlling even some of the most demanding speakers.

neekomax

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« Reply #9 on: 31 May 2013, 12:11 am »
What's the tube complement?  I see what may be 6SN7s and 6EM7s but those skinny tubes and the power tubes are unfamiliar.

Met Peter McAlister at a show once.  Seemed like a real nice dude.

From the eBay copy and McAlister's site:

 triode sections of a 6N1P as the voltage amplifier and a 6CL6 as the current source

 The driver stage for each channel uses a 6SN7 of which one triode provides drive regulation and the other triode directly drives the output tubes- no coupling capacitors are used!

The output stage for each channel consists of two 12DQ6 horizontal sweep tubes paralleled in triode mode operating in class A

opnly bafld

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #10 on: 31 May 2013, 12:42 am »
Great amps, my older SE32 uses a few different tubes but seems to be the same basic design.
Enjoy!  :thumb:

neekomax

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #11 on: 31 May 2013, 02:06 am »
Great amps, my older SE32 uses a few different tubes but seems to be the same basic design.
Enjoy!  :thumb:

Yes, apparently this amp is a bit of a unique piece from what I gather, as Pete does not normally build integrated amps. But the power amp section is based on yours. I'll be interested to talk to him about it and get (more) educated. I'll report back after I get a hold of him. I especially want to make sure of the tube complement so that I can eventually roll the tubes. 

On a side note, my Bottlehead Quickie battery powered tube preamp kit recently shipped; building that should help me get a basic understanding of how this stuff works.

JakeJ

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #12 on: 31 May 2013, 07:31 am »
Congrats, Neeko!  Welcome to my world...well it's not all mine but you get my drift.  :thumb:

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Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #13 on: 27 Jun 2013, 08:09 am »
Peter's circuits are pretty novel.  However, you have to be careful about construction and parts, as his builds are not good, as a rule.  I am quite satisfied with a custom PP amp he built for me, once I got through remounting transformers, changing parts and re-wiring it.

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Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #14 on: 28 Jun 2013, 02:59 am »
I think his philosophy is that good design trumps good parts, so I'm not surprised that his part are not top shelf.  Having said that, I attended a big amp shootout a few years back.  His amp came in second, but was half the price of the amp that came in first.  So I suspect he's on to something. Also, it's always a massive plus to be able to contact the actual guy that designed and built the amp and stands by it.  It's like a bespoke suit.  I had an issue with a Dodd amp once, and I could just pick up the phone, he knew exactly what it was and fixed it, no mention of warranties or not.  It was his baby, and he stands by it.

mca

Re: Baby's First Tube Amp! McAlister Audio SE 32I Integrated
« Reply #15 on: 28 Jun 2013, 04:55 pm »
Looks like you got yourself a heck of a first tube amp! Now we just need to see a nice lights out glowing tubes pic  :D