Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem

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Toka

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Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« on: 13 May 2013, 06:31 pm »
My trusty Omega III amp is giving me some trouble lately...I am getting static/crackle-y noise after first power on. It was very minor at first but now will linger for a few minutes (sounds like a poorly-tuned FM station, or the noise you get from a lead in/out groove on vinyl. A static noise but not a consistent wall of sound). After a few minutes the volume of the noise seems to increase slightly and then THUMP, it stops. It may appear later but only very briefly. I've left the amp on the past few days to minimize the issue.

Any idea as to what the problem might be?

Wayner

Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #1 on: 13 May 2013, 07:15 pm »
No, but call Frank. He will be able to fix it. 651-330-9871

No one else on the AC will be able to.

Wayner

r1seals

Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #2 on: 13 May 2013, 07:27 pm »
yea I have same problem with mine as well it's a 250 ex in the hafler chassis sometimes i leave it on for awhile say 2 to 3 hours and sometimes it gos away but i need to send it to Frank and have it fixed I do love the amp though oh well only money :cry:
Russ

Wayner

Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #3 on: 13 May 2013, 08:47 pm »
Frank didn't make or design the components, and components fail.

Wayner

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Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #4 on: 13 May 2013, 09:36 pm »
The problem with both of those older amplifiers is likely just a noisy 2N3440 or 2N5416 regulator on the audio circuit boards or their connections to the boards.

These are the small round button shaped transistors with the big black heat fins epoxied on.  They are the top transistors in each row of three on each side of each board, one of each per channel.  Often the issue is only degradation of the solder connections from these transistors to the PC board and can be fixed by reheating each of the three connections per device and adding a small bit of solder.  The issue occurred because the transistor leads are very small in diameter so there is not much surface area between the leads and the solder pads to conduct heat away.  Over many years of use (especially if the amp is left on all the time) the solder connection or the transistor can degrade.  The result is noise at turn on, going away as the devices warm up and the now marginal solder connection warms up too and makes better contact.

The permanent cure is to replace the transistors and instead of the normal process of solder the connection and cut the excess leads off, instead bend the leads down flat on their foil traces and then solder a significant length of the transistor leads directly to the foil.  This provides a much larger thermal path for the heat from the transistor to be conveyed into the foil trace and dissipated much better long term.

Of course we never had this problem until there were many units in the field working just fine for many years.  Everything built in recent times has been resolved with either the fix done up front, or in the case of the big Synergy amplifiers, using different regulator techniques completely.

The cost to fix, depending upon the layout, is an hour and a half labor (more or less) and parts, typically about $150 plus return shipping.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

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Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #5 on: 14 May 2013, 05:03 pm »
The problem with both of those older amplifiers is likely just a noisy 2N3440 or 2N5416 regulator on the audio circuit boards or their connections to the boards.

These are the small round button shaped transistors with the big black heat fins epoxied on.  They are the top transistors in each row of three on each side of each board, one of each per channel.  Often the issue is only degradation of the solder connections from these transistors to the PC board and can be fixed by reheating each of the three connections per device and adding a small bit of solder.  The issue occurred because the transistor leads are very small in diameter so there is not much surface area between the leads and the solder pads to conduct heat away.  Over many years of use (especially if the amp is left on all the time) the solder connection or the transistor can degrade.  The result is noise at turn on, going away as the devices warm up and the now marginal solder connection warms up too and makes better contact.

The permanent cure is to replace the transistors and instead of the normal process of solder the connection and cut the excess leads off, instead bend the leads down flat on their foil traces and then solder a significant length of the transistor leads directly to the foil.  This provides a much larger thermal path for the heat from the transistor to be conveyed into the foil trace and dissipated much better long term.

Of course we never had this problem until there were many units in the field working just fine for many years.  Everything built in recent times has been resolved with either the fix done up front, or in the case of the big Synergy amplifiers, using different regulator techniques completely.

The cost to fix, depending upon the layout, is an hour and a half labor (more or less) and parts, typically about $150 plus return shipping.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

No disrespect intended to Frank and crew, this amp does  see a lot of use it's my bedroom system and stays on all night at times.
this amp has several up grades since new with out problems.
I will be sending it off to you this week Frank thanks
Russ 

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Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #6 on: 14 May 2013, 07:19 pm »

The permanent cure is to replace the transistors and instead of the normal process of solder the connection and cut the excess leads off, instead bend the leads down flat on their foil traces and then solder a significant length of the transistor leads directly to the foil.  This provides a much larger thermal path for the heat from the transistor to be conveyed into the foil trace and dissipated much better long term.

There goes another trade secret...

You wanna know why your AVA amp sounds so much better than the usual dreck? It is the accumulation of these details!

What does one think of when it comes to solder and wire? Electrical conductivity. At AVA? Electrical AND thermal conductivity. Sweet.  :thumb:

r1seals

Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #7 on: 14 May 2013, 10:42 pm »
There goes another trade secret...

You wanna know why your AVA amp sounds so much better than the usual dreck? It is the accumulation of these details!

What does one think of when it comes to solder and wire? Electrical conductivity. At AVA? Electrical AND thermal conductivity. Sweet.  :thumb:
Yea been with AVA since I think 1984 through audio basics to what I have now  matter fact everything I have in both systems has his name on it and proud of it just happy that AVA is getting the acclaim he so much deserves as a audio pioneer
Russ

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Re: Omega III amp - Need help tracking down a problem
« Reply #8 on: 18 May 2013, 06:31 pm »
Part of fun in audio back in the day was be able to tinker with your own equipment, miss that a great deal.