subwoofer direction question?

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stlrman

subwoofer direction question?
« on: 3 Apr 2013, 09:00 pm »
I have no room on the plain of the speakers to put a sub, as it is now I have a broken down firing sub about 2 feet in front of the left speaker(left from the couch looking at the speakers) I have a chair in front of subwoofer. I am looking to buy a front firing subwoofer.
Would it be ok to aim the woofer at a 90 degree angle to the speakers, firing toward the center of the room

                                                     X                                  X



           (sub)      X    woofer aimed ------->

                    -----recliner
                                                            --------------------  couch
Thanks!!
Todd
Sorry the layout should show the couch directly on between the two speakers and ten feet back, sub is about a foot in front of left speaker

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Re: subwoofer direction question?
« Reply #1 on: 3 Apr 2013, 10:09 pm »
This would depend on the sub. If there is significant port chuff you probably wouldn't want to do that, but otherwise, it shouldn't make a huge difference. Bass frequencies that low are completely omnidirectional and will radiate in a circle from the sub regardless, so I don't think it will really matter too much.

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Re: subwoofer direction question?
« Reply #2 on: 3 Apr 2013, 10:18 pm »
Infinite variables exist.  Replies to below will help:

What are respective crossover poles and rates:
HP?
LP?

If no HP state so.  State whether you do or do not have HP crossover pole available for main speakers.   

Describe main speaker:
Make/model?
Woofer complement?
Woofer loading? (sealed, reflex, direction port fires, etc)
Bass cutoff frequency, state unknown if unknown, state in-room or anechoic or unknown
Room dimensions (the physical universe comprises three dimensions so list three, two is as useless as one which is as useless as none)
Describe ceiling flat or no?  If no, describe it, and state average height. 

Describe sub: driver complement, amp power, loading, direction port fires, etc.  Describe phase control; if none state so.  Why do you care what direction the sub fires?  Appearance?  It seems odd to care about cosmetics with sub in the middle of the room.  Placing a single sub can be extremely difficult and is likely the main reason audiophiles dislike single subs.  Setup wrong they suck.  The ideal location is least modal effects, which may well not be your described location. 

AFTER you confirm pole questions above: confirm visually any location you might possibly locate the sub.  I'll post as foolproof instructions as I've found to find the best location of all the locations you'd accept.  Certainly, depending on the pole, there could be infinitely better location than mid point on the speaker plane.       

Generally, the maximum permissible distance between (non distributed array) sub and main = 1/4 crossover pole wavelength.  (Distributed Array voids this rule because it creates its own modal environment separate from the room's boundaries.)         

FYI: L/R always and only refers to view from listening end.

stlrman

Re: subwoofer direction question?
« Reply #3 on: 3 Apr 2013, 11:47 pm »
Thanks Alex and James!
James I'm not sure the answe to all your questions.
Speakers are ported Vapor Breeze , about 5 inch woofers.they go down to 50 hz
Room is 16x22 about. Flat ceilings about 8ft.
The sub is Whafedale sw150.  150 watt ten inch woofer , looks to be a small port on bottom.this sub has many great reviews and I can pick up under $200.
I would really like to keep sub here in that spot about one to feet in front of left speaker, as it's in my living room and fits nicely there.
I would like to add just a touch of weight to music, but have been listening for a year without . A sub can add to soundstage I have heard too. But if I can't integrate it perfectly I can do without.
Really the sub is more for movies.
Thanks
I have a really good sub with broken amp. 24x24 sealed, 12 inch Servo sub, should go down to 20 hz . Maybe I should just buy a new amp, and have a pro put it in. The sub weighs 90 pounds ,and was custom built for me with awesome wood veneer, cost me a grand. I'm pretty sure the woofer is stellar. It's just a beast to move, and a tad too large for the space.downfiring as well.

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Re: subwoofer direction question?
« Reply #4 on: 4 Apr 2013, 12:52 am »
OK, you did good, you got most of it.

Quote me and go through each question one by one and I'll give you some good setup "dope" (the good kind!)

It certainly sounds like the current sub with new amp is better than the new sub you describe.  If true, replace the amp.  It can't be that hard to replace the amp (remove fasteners, disconnect two speaker wires, remove amp, reverse with new amp).  An advantage of sealed over reflex is the former better mimics inverse room gain curve.

If there is ANY acceptable location other than the one you describe, then you definitely must perform an easy test to find the ideal location. 
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