Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System

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pdaddy

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Just purchased the Magnepan Mini System and need amp and dac opinions. The Wadia they recommend on the site seems a bit small but I welcome advise on that. I am looking to set these up in a small listening room configuration about 11x12.

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« Reply #1 on: 14 Jan 2013, 05:01 am »
Per Wendell, they're designed for near field listening, not sure if they would fill a room of the size you quoted.

Jim

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« Reply #2 on: 14 Jan 2013, 09:09 am »
Just purchased the Magnepan Mini System and need amp and dac opinions. The Wadia they recommend on the site seems a bit small but I welcome advise on that. I am looking to set these up in a small listening room configuration about 11x12.

Maybe the Nuforce DDA-100 will kill 2 birds with one stone. Its a low cost PowerDac...50wpc RMS into 8 ohms and about 133wpc dynamic power at the same 8 ohms. 75/200wpc at 4ohms.
 Price is $550.
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« Reply #3 on: 14 Jan 2013, 10:39 am »
What's your budget and are you looking for tubes or SS?

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« Reply #4 on: 14 Jan 2013, 12:11 pm »
Steve,
I'd like to stay less than $600 and would do tubes if they could handle the high current needs. As such am likely going to need to go solid state at that price point, but open to suggestions.

wisnon

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« Reply #5 on: 14 Jan 2013, 12:26 pm »
The nuforce won a TAS award for entry level amps in 2012, and gave it very high praise...dare I say giant killer type of praise.

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« Reply #6 on: 14 Jan 2013, 05:30 pm »
I wasn't trying to be a kill joy, rather trying to be helpful.  It all depends on how loud you intend to play it.  Bottlehead has tube kits that you might be able to get used within your budget.  There are decent dacs under a bill.  Jolida also comes to mind for a tube amp.

Jim

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #7 on: 14 Jan 2013, 09:26 pm »
No worries M_Jim. I am happy to take all input.

I am not knowledgeable about whether or how tubes would be able to service the Maggie Mini System or not. Various reviews say that this setup can cook some solid state offerings and so I wonder (not being too knowledgeable on the topic) whether tubes are more or less likely to be able to handle the requested/required high current needs of the speaker system. As a matter of fact, if it would I have a prestine Dared MP5 with tubes and a built in DAC that I could try, but my assumption was that it would not and so am looking to sell it to back fill with this amp need.

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« Reply #8 on: 14 Jan 2013, 10:47 pm »
When I heard them at The Listening Room in Towsend, MD they were using an inexpensive Cambridge Audio integrated at (I think) 60 WPC.  There was no problem filling the room with sound but the small REL sub stuck in the far corner really helped A LOT.  For full room listening you'll want a sub.
I believe that Cambridge integrated has a DAC built in.

I was planning on getting the Mini Maggies this year until things took an unexpected turn on me.
The plan was to use a Dynaco tube amp from either Bob Latino
http://bob01605.50webs.com/
or Frank Van Alstine
http://www.avahifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=250&Itemid=235
with the preamp to be determined.

There's lots of options with the tube amps/integrateds but I honestly don't think you'll need a boat load of power to get good results.
The Dared probably won't cut it, though.

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #9 on: 14 Jan 2013, 11:29 pm »
Thanks Steve!

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« Reply #10 on: 25 Jan 2013, 02:43 am »
You don't need a big amp for near field listening because you're sitting up close, but for use in a small room, I'd be inclined to throw *lots* of power at them. That's because they're quite inefficient. The large ones have a 1/R dispersion pattern but the minis are 1/R^2 like a dynamic, so you lose several dB between the speakers and your ears. And that means you need to use a bigger amp.

While it's impossible to make a firm recommendation without knowing what levels you listen at, I'm thinking that transistors are the way to go in this case, because of amp size and their ability to double down on current into a 4 ohm load.

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« Reply #11 on: 25 Jan 2013, 03:00 am »
You don't need a big amp for near field listening because you're sitting up close, but for use in a small room, I'd be inclined to throw *lots* of power at them. That's because they're quite inefficient. The large ones have a 1/R dispersion pattern but the minis are 1/R^2 like a dynamic, so you lose several dB between the speakers and your ears. And that means you need to use a bigger amp.

While it's impossible to make a firm recommendation without knowing what levels you listen at, I'm thinking that transistors are the way to go in this case, because of amp size and their ability to double down on current into a 4 ohm load.

Thanks Josh. I did start with a big amp in the Emotiva XPA-2 but I will be trying a migration to the Emotiva Mini-x and we'll see.

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Jan 2013, 05:28 am »
Just purchased the Magnepan Mini System and need amp and dac opinions. The Wadia they recommend on the site seems a bit small but I welcome advise on that. I am looking to set these up in a small listening room configuration about 11x12.

You need to first figure out how to set them up since they fall apart when you sit 4-5' or more from them. They also have to be setup at ear level in order to work. The little sub they come with is a bit small for your room. So unless you plan to use them at your desk or just in front of your recliner on pedestals you would be  better off with MMGs.

I would look to return the little minis and get MMGs instead if you plan to use them as a standard stereo setup.

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #13 on: 26 Jan 2013, 05:47 pm »
You need to first figure out how to set them up since they fall apart when you sit 4-5' or more from them. They also have to be setup at ear level in order to work. The little sub they come with is a bit small for your room. So unless you plan to use them at your desk or just in front of your recliner on pedestals you would be  better off with MMGs.

I would look to return the little minis and get MMGs instead if you plan to use them as a standard stereo setup.

I have them on pedestal stands in an 11 x 11.6 room. I also have MMG's and 2.7's and for my small room setup, the Mini System sounds the best.

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« Reply #14 on: 26 Jan 2013, 06:15 pm »
Thanks Josh. I did start with a big amp in the Emotiva XPA-2 but I will be trying a migration to the Emotiva Mini-x and we'll see.
I'll be curious to know how it turns out. Magnepan went in the opposite direction at their CES show, using a 2500 watt Bryston that, according to people who were there, was running pretty hot.

By the way, have you tried listening near field in your room? e.g., moving the stands (and woofer) a few feet in front of your listening seat so they're in about the same relative position they'd be if they were on a desk?

I haven't seen any accounts of people doing this but nearfield listening is very common in recording studios and can produce excellent results that minimize the effects of room acoustics. This would also allow the Minis to work at the distance they were designed for. When I heard them, I tried backing off from the desk, and found that they went from stunning to excellent -- still quite listenable, but without the amazing "3.7 on your desk" effect.

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #15 on: 26 Jan 2013, 06:29 pm »
I'll be curious to know how it turns out. Magnepan went in the opposite direction at their CES show, using a 2500 watt Bryston that, according to people who were there, was running pretty hot.

By the way, have you tried listening near field in your room? e.g., moving the stands (and woofer) a few feet in front of your listening seat so they're in about the same relative position they'd be if they were on a desk?

I haven't seen any accounts of people doing this but nearfield listening is very common in recording studios and can produce excellent results that minimize the effects of room acoustics. This would also allow the Minis to work at the distance they were designed for. When I heard them, I tried backing off from the desk, and found that they went from stunning to excellent -- still quite listenable, but without the amazing "3.7 on your desk" effect.

Josh,
I just wanted to try them in my small listening room to start, but as soon as I score a desktop sized DAC I am going to try on my desk in an office with the small Emotiva Mini-X amp and we'll see how they do.

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #16 on: 26 Jan 2013, 10:30 pm »
I have them on pedestal stands in an 11 x 11.6 room. I also have MMG's and 2.7's and for my small room setup, the Mini System sounds the best.

Since you have the other models to compare to as a reference, can you describe the geometry of your placement in the 11 square room?

Surely many people would like to have a ribbon maggie in  a small room and wonder how a proper setup of the mini system would have to be setup in order to work.

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« Reply #17 on: 26 Jan 2013, 11:08 pm »
When I heard them at The Listening Room in Towsend, MD they were using an inexpensive Cambridge Audio integrated at (I think) 60 WPC.  There was no problem filling the room with sound but the small REL sub stuck in the far corner really helped A LOT.  For full room listening you'll want a sub.
I believe that Cambridge integrated has a DAC built in.

I was planning on getting the Mini Maggies this year until things took an unexpected turn on me.
The plan was to use a Dynaco tube amp from either Bob Latino
http://bob01605.50webs.com/
or Frank Van Alstine
http://www.avahifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=250&Itemid=235
with the preamp to be determined.

There's lots of options with the tube amps/integrateds but I honestly don't think you'll need a boat load of power to get good results.
The Dared probably won't cut it, though.

I've wanted a pair of his mono kits for a while now. Even if just to use for the high end of a biamp system. Gorgeous!


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« Reply #18 on: 26 Jan 2013, 11:31 pm »
That would do it, wouldn't it?
While we're waiting for the OP to chime in, when I heard them they were just sitting on a desk, about 4' out from the front wall and about 5' apart, the DMW under the desk where the chair goes and a small REL sub in the rear right corner.
There was no problem filling the room with sound.
They're just astonishing little things.

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Re: Need an Amp and DAC Options for Magnepan Mini System
« Reply #19 on: 27 Jan 2013, 12:03 am »
Since you have the other models to compare to as a reference, can you describe the geometry of your placement in the 11 square room?

Surely many people would like to have a ribbon maggie in  a small room and wonder how a proper setup of the mini system would have to be setup in order to work.

Sure thing:
Room is 11.6 x 11. I have them setup on the long wall. Listening position is about 7 feet from small satellite speakers which are toed in to the listening position and raised on pedestal speaker stands at the height of my ears at the listening position.  The DWM woofer is set in the middle of the two small speakers and is placed one inch forward of the outer point of the small speakers (outer point = farthest left point of left and farthest right point of right speaker). Speakers are 3 feet from back wall, 2.5 feet from right wall and 2.7 feet from left wall from listening position perspective. Mini's are 55 inches apart from the inner most measure. No room treatments as yet, but will be shopping for some soon as the room while carpeted is all walls everywhere else.

Latest update is I have moved from the Emotiva XPA-2 (beast of an amp) to the Emotiva Mini-x a-100 (much smaller beast of an amp). Made it all the way through the Keb Mo CD with no issues and the amp does not appear to be running hot at all.