Pez's super audio room DIY basement finish.

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Pez's super audio room DIY basement finish.
« on: 9 Jan 2013, 09:56 pm »
In March '12 we moved to a new house. Great size, we got a pretty decent whole house audio video system thang that is pretty good, but nothing usable for serious listening but nice for background stuff. That said the house does not have a usable room for audio... It has been awful. My equipment has been sitting in the basement since the move in. As some of you probably know when moving into a new home one thing after another comes up. Landscaping, electrical, new bookshelf to make the wife happy etc etc etc etc. My audio room always was the back burner item. Well NO MORE!!!! I finally have been able to work on my system. We have an unfinished basement and slowly but surely I have been able to get things done.

First and foremost though I want thank Brian Pape with GIK, his guidance and knowledge have been absolutely crucial and very much appreciated. From the dimensions of the room to what method I need to use to hang the drywall Brian is a good guy to know.

This is where I started:


What I wanted for this space:
first and foremost I want to have a room that is the best possible use for stereo.
I may add surround sound as a secondary feature in the future, but for now it is not a priority.
I want a closet where I can put noisy equipment and video equipment.
I want space in the closet for a computer server for music, video, and photos for the entire house.
Dedicated sub-panel for the audio room with dedicated circuits.

Room dimensions are 15x22x8 (stupid low ceiling!!! UGH!!!) Brian helped me pick the dimensions. They are intended to reduce the potential for bass reinforcement issues and should give me a much smoother overall response.

HVAC
First up, HVAC. I hired a guy to do all this, so can't take credit for it. All the metal returns and supplies were completely gutted from the audio room. This is what was up:




cross section of the air return metal


This is what my HVAC guys put up.




Note the black plastic tubes, they are the slinky tubes wrapped in insulation.

This is fiberboard which is basically compressed fiber glass. They had to actually build the boxes. Obviously all of this is to reduce or eliminate sound transmission through the ventilation system. The round metal tubes that lead to the vents were also replaced with flexible slinky tubing wrapped in insulation. While the room is not done yet it is obvious that this setup is doing it's job! You used to be able to hear the furnace and AC through the vents upstairs. It was so loud that my poor mother couldn't sleep when she stayed over when we first moved in. Now you can't even hear the furnace at all! Nor can I hear voices from upstairs. HUGE improvement. Another thing I had the HVAC guys do is move our condenser unit that used to be right outside of the window-well of the audio room, another LOUD thing. Worked out well! It is much closer to the furnace room and the noisy copper pipe that used to go right through the audio room is now completely out of the room.

Framing
Once HVAC was done it was time for me and my Dad to do the framing. We have to float our walls in CO when on a concrete slab according to code, nothing can be built from the floor, it must be built from the ceiling joyce.





iphone panorama of the finished framing.



Front from outside


rear from outside


Front of the room


back of the room


Furnace room

Next up electrical and low voltage. I wired the entire space for 8.1 surround sound which possibly will never get used, but since I'm doing it myself I prepared for any scenario! I also put a conduit in the ceiling so in the future if I want to do a projector I'll have no problem installing one. Also put a conduit from the equipment closet to mid way in the room so if I need to run bluetooth keyboards/mice or whatever else I can use a 30 ft USB cable or run any other stuff I didn't think about later. This is pretty much the most future proofed setup I have ever done!


sub panel


front of the room- 2 dedicated 20 amp breakers for equipment. Closet has one 20 amp dedicated circuit for whatever goes in their, the rest of the lighting and electrical is on it's own 15 amp circuit.


side west rear


side west front


side east front


side east rear


rear

ceiling
The ceiling deserves special consideration is being built in order to reduce vibration from upstairs. I am using IB-1 clips to decouple the floor jocyes upstairs from the ceiling downstairs. This in conjunction with a hat channel should reduce any mechanical vibration significantly.







Coming Soon: Drywall and the rest. I'll occasionally edit and add stuff to flesh this all out a bit because there is a lot of thought I've put into this that I didn't go into detail on yet.

Hope you've enjoyed!



« Last Edit: 16 Jan 2013, 05:26 pm by Pez »

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« Reply #1 on: 9 Jan 2013, 10:09 pm »
Looks good Pez, best of luck with the build.

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« Reply #2 on: 9 Jan 2013, 10:39 pm »

 8)

What's with the weird framing code, in case of flooding? No code like that were we live thankfully, because that's just wacko, unless there is some sort good reason for it.

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« Reply #3 on: 9 Jan 2013, 10:48 pm »
We have a high level of bentonite in our soil pretty much everywhere. It causes foundations to crack and swell. My father in laws house has a problem where the doors in the basement won't open or close properly because of ground swell. The floating walls allow for the foundation to shift without causing bigger issues with the rest of the house.

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« Reply #4 on: 9 Jan 2013, 10:53 pm »
Did you give any consideration to installing double layers of drywall with green glue between your floor joists? It is supposed to be excellent for noise suppression. I have also been reading about using putty packs to seal around outlets.

Pez

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« Reply #5 on: 10 Jan 2013, 12:40 am »
using double drywall and green glue. I have two cases of the stuff.  :thumb: The putty is going to be in all outlets when I do trim.

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« Reply #6 on: 10 Jan 2013, 01:21 am »
Nice job

We put homoset (spell?) in the floor of the room above - did a great job in reducing the footfalls and increasing isolation - very cheap too - it was in addition to double fire-rated drywall with green glue. 

Good luck

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« Reply #7 on: 10 Jan 2013, 01:53 am »
Pez,

If you haven't already thought of it, you may want to use fine thread (as opposed to course thread) screws when attaching the drywall to your hat channel.  The instructions I looked at didn't specify and I went with course thread since I had them for all the other drywall work.  Now in addition to a really quiet 1st floor due to the decoupled ceiling, I get a faint clicking sound when someone walks across the floor of the 2nd floor.  I have confirmed it is not joists, sub floor, etc.  One theory I have is that when the hat channel flexes slightly, the larger gap between the course threads allows the screw/drywall to "click" a little. 

May sound far fetched, but I thought I would pass it on if it could help.

Did you buy the GG by the tube or the tub?

Good Luck.

David

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« Reply #8 on: 10 Jan 2013, 02:51 am »
look great Jason!
have you decoupled the walls from the ceiling/floor joists?  you may want to consider a couple of rows of blocking between the studs, will only take a half hour but can really stiffen the wall which among other things will help reduce transference to the ceiling.

also check for a homosote product (generic name is soundboard), very inexpensive and effective when used with other products you are already using.

I know it's a bit late but for a very serious install I would insulate and rock the ceiling with 1/2" then install the resilient channel and then a final layer of 5/8" rock.  the other comment of puting two layers of different thickness rock in the joist cavities is also a good way of doing this.  you can even sandwich them with sound board.

best of luck!

lou

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« Reply #9 on: 10 Jan 2013, 03:23 am »
Lou, I didn't decouple the walls from the ceiling/floor joists (thanks for the spell correct haha) It was too much of a pain in the ass given the building codes in colorado and I'm pretty confident that the sound transmission via the wall to the ceiling will be minimal. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but judging from the space 99% of the sound is coming from the ceiling. The rest of the basement is unused now and will be minimally used in the future so I doubt there will be much problem.

As for the fine drywall screws I will call and find out for sure, all the drywall and insulation is being delivered tomorrow. 

Thank you all for the rolling advice. Great info here, not sure I'm going to use it all, but it certainly gets me thinking about what's important.

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« Reply #10 on: 10 Jan 2013, 03:54 am »
Nice progress.

My room is stalled.  I need a plumber to come and quote me moving the bathroom rough in 19 feet - concrete floor of course...

By Spring I should have some pics of my own, and will poach ideas from your build as I can!

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« Reply #11 on: 10 Jan 2013, 03:58 am »
Me - "What have you been up to Pez?"

Pez - "Being the most insane audiophile you know.  Glad you asked!"

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« Reply #12 on: 10 Jan 2013, 04:45 am »
If you have utilities between your ceiling and floor joists, I'd stay away from any kind of drywall ceilings. You WILL eventually have to rip a part of it out. I went with an acoustic drop ceiling and additional insulation for sound deadening. Works very well. My main 2-channel system and single lounger is in this space. No complaints from the wife or kids. Just another option to consider.

Pez

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« Reply #13 on: 10 Jan 2013, 10:59 pm »
Crimson,
As far as utilities I don't have anything but a natural gas line going outside to my grill and a pipe running vertically from the sink drain in the corner of the room, very accessible without ripping anything out. I lucked out on that front. Then again I've got the air ducts going upstairs. Nothing too major.

Pez

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« Reply #14 on: 10 Jan 2013, 11:23 pm »
Drywall time! 5/8ths for the entire audio room. 1/2" thick for the utility closet.


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« Reply #15 on: 12 Jan 2013, 08:14 pm »
Where in Colorado are you? (I'm in Colorado Springs).

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« Reply #16 on: 12 Jan 2013, 10:40 pm »
Glad to see it's finally starting to come together Jason. So much work but so worth it.  :thumb:

Pez

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« Reply #17 on: 16 Jan 2013, 05:12 pm »
First layer of drywall complete. I need to do drywall mud on the first layer of the ceiling then do the second ceiling layer with green glue.

Front of room.



Back of room.

I'm finally starting to see the finish line!