Bryston Power Conditioners

Samurai7595 · « **on:** 8 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm »

Is anyone using the Bryston Power Conditioners?

If so, are you also plugging your Bryston amps into the power conditioners or only the other components (e.g. pre-amp and sources)?

drummermitchell · « **Reply #1 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 03:10 pm »

I use Torus as the Bryston BIT is the same just a different face plate to match Bryston gear.
First Ill say I have everything plugged into the Torus(s),I'll tell you why at the end

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I have2x28b-sst2 +7Bsst in the front of the room plugged into a 60a Torus.
I also have my sub plugged into a Torus 20a,at the back I have all my components +4B-sst and projector.
Two Torus are 240V both dedicated lines of course,the 120v 20a Torus is on a dedicated 20a line for the sub(1812).

One reason I have everything plugged into the Torus(s)is PROTECTION.
I had four subs at one time and two were plugged into the Torus and two were not,we had a thunderstorm

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The next day I put on some music,WTF,two F-113's were dead and those were the two that weren't plugged into the Torus.
Everything else NADDA thing was wrong,good to go.
Before that I had a monster conditioner which was to protect my computer,same thing gear was good ,my computer was toast.
Besides superb protection,I won't get into how huge a difference the Torus made on my gear(I use to use Shunyata with dedicated also).
The Torus site has consumer testimonials.
I will say I was totally shocked at the difference

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Stu Pitt · « **Reply #2 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 03:57 pm »

How does the Torus stuff compare to the Shunyata stuff? Which Shunyata stuff were you using?

tim92gts · « **Reply #3 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 05:31 pm »

Quote from: Samurai7595 on 8 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

Is anyone using the Bryston Power Conditioners?

If so, are you also plugging your Bryston amps into the power conditioners or only the other components (e.g. pre-amp and sources)?

One of my 14bs blew at the start of a thunderstorm; repaired quickly under guarantee by PMC.

BIT wasn't really released here at the time so i had to go for a Furman equivalent, one 16A (240V) unit for each amp and a 10A unit for the
sources and projector.

It seems to be down to luck which item blows but if you're installing something to present a lower supply impedance amps should be priority; i guess if only worry is
power surge damage maybe plug the most expensive components in first. I just chose to get enough to cover the whole system.

drummermitchell · « **Reply #4 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 05:59 pm »

Huge difference,I was using a hydra 6 for components(on dedicated line)+6 hydra 2's)for amps and subs on dedicated lines all separate lines.
Instead of I think it sounds better or I think hear a difference(perhaps we should hear nothing)I didn't hear anything where music was clearer between instruments or more stage ect.
When I installed the Torus everything got huge(stage, bottom end)a huge effortlessness ) I was shocked that I emailed a person who is highly respected in
audio.
he replied to me saying that you have discovered as I have that having gobs of power in reserve for the amps makes a huge difference.
It was quite profound the difference and is a pluses for the music,after all music has dynamics and that what the Torus does and the authoritative bass plus the effortlessness,ect.
My opinion the Shunyatas are better than nothing perhaps compared to the Torus.
If they came out with a huge improved Torus or there was something that was a major improvement over the Torus I'd be all over it.
Haven't heard anything yet that has grabbed my attention ,not saying there isn't but until I hear something better these are staying put.
We may change a component here or a amp or cable or whatever,these stay right where they are as they do it all.
I hate spending money on a new computer or two F-113's because as I mentioned before, those weren't plugged into the Torus.
I use to compare the difference saying it the difference between a Honda 50 or a Harley 1200,you not only hear the difference you can feel it

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Quite interesting when you look at some conditioner companies EX:torus has different amperage models+vlotage regulation and protection ect.
Sort of standard necessities,Christ look at Shunyata how many different models they have had let alone cables,if they have a scientist from NASA(who is the owner)I wouldn't think that they would need so many improvements or so called break throughs(makes me laugh).
Torus(BIT)of now they have a few cheaper models but excluding the ones with voltage regulation,they are basically a no nonsense company.
no snakes in their garden,that's what I see anyway,
OK I'm ready to be run thru the gauntlet

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DEV · « **Reply #5 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 07:20 pm »

Happy New Year! Drummermitchell and others,

Great to read you are enjoying!

I also enjoyed mine as you know I had two of them with Bryston Squared 28's paired up and found I preferred them being plugged into them rather than in other unit or the wall.

As you make mention we may change this and that and in doing such I switched amps as you know but prior to doing so I tried numerous amps either plugged into the RM20's or not, mostly I preferred plugged into them.

Hence when I got my new amps I just automatically plugged them in and put in some 500 + hours, also like the pce of mind knowing my investment has some type of protection.

So fast forward, the day came to plug my amps into the wall, I was shocked and disappointed all at the same time because unfortunately plugged into the wall was by far my preference. So another individual whom happens to have the same Vac gear as myself has a second setup but in a office situation where he uses a PS P-10. He decided to try it in his setup and with positive results ordered two more, one for each mono block setup.

Reading his glowing thoughts and knowing now mine had no protection "that was my real disappointment" so I decided to pull the trigger and try myself.

I'm only sharing my thoughts and end others results may vary.

You can go to PS web site if you wish to get all the technical stuff, I'm just after the end results so read on if such interest you.

When I got these and prior to hooking up my gear I plugged them into the wall, separate designated lines for each.

What I found looking at the screen "little screen on the unit" the power coming in varied from 117-123 and THD 3.4 -4% not good! These measurements vary all day from day to day

Reading what it shows now going out said 120 which I want along with 0.1 % THD which also looked very interesting indeed and what I want. I knew all along there were differences and could hear such in listening but just wasn't 100% sure what to blame, electronics and or actual recordings

So I decided to switch the power plugs because both were showing different readings, to my surprise followed demonstrated to me what was coming from these two separate designated power lines.

Next just for the heck of It plugged one unit into a RM20, I won't say what I read but I was shocked. Now I don't know how accurate these things REALLY are and just passing along information for others.

You have know me for a some years now and know I have no real favoritism and continue to learn

So what were the results of having my amps plugged into these;

-lower floor noise "immediately can hear such"
dynamics like I have never heard before
more musical
sonically over all very positive and highly recommended so do try

Happy listening!

David C · « **Reply #6 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 08:58 pm »

I am looking at the BIT15 to use with my system (14bsst2, Nu force P9 pre, EE DAC and SB Touch with the Bybee power upgrade from Bolder Cable). I currently only have a strip of outlets for surge protection and have the 14Bsst2 plugged into the wall. I am a novice at this power conditioning stuff. Would I benefit from the BIT15? Would I also plug the amp into it as well?

Your advice appreciated. BTW I live in rural SC so US voltage

drummermitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 10:30 pm »

David C,doesn't your 14B-sst2 have the new Plitron transformers and new caps,if that's the case you might not need the Torus except for components.
I'd talk to James to be sure and give him your serial #s.My 28's don't have :cry:as they are before that upgrade.
Also if I remember right doesn't the 14 put out(not sure about this)so many amps at idle or is it watts.
You might be close to going with a 20a.
James will let you know.
Mine I went overkill just in case I run full power

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HI Dev,been awhile.I'll take a look THX.

Chicago · « **Reply #8 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 12:45 am »

Quote from: Samurai7595 on 8 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

Is anyone using the Bryston Power Conditioners?

If so, are you also plugging your Bryston amps into the power conditioners or only the other components (e.g. pre-amp and sources)?

I am not using the BIT but I believe I am using the surge protection component of the BIT. I was looking for inexpensive surge protection and James gave me the name of the company that manufacturers them for Bryston. I have everything except the amp plugged into the surge protector (it works by filters). I tried the amp plugged into the wall and the protector and my system sounded better with the amp plugged into the wall, but the differences were small. I am not suggesting the BIT will not improve sound with the amp plugged into it, but if you are just looking for surge protection it is worth a look. I am out of town and for the life of me I can't remember the company's name. If you are interested I will check when I get home and let you know.

MIke

drummermitchell · « **Reply #9 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 01:02 am »

Maybe Surgex.

Diamond Dog · « **Reply #10 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 02:49 am »

Quote from: Samurai7595 on 8 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

Is anyone using the Bryston Power Conditioners?

If so, are you also plugging your Bryston amps into the power conditioners or only the other components (e.g. pre-amp and sources)?

Hi : I use a BIT 20. Source, preamp and amps all plugged into it. Absolutely love it and would recommend it to anyone.

D.D.

tim92gts · « **Reply #11 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 08:44 am »

Hi,
Just thought it might be relevant that i've occassionally run the 14BSST2 s up to clipping and they were drawing just over half max current
That's the difference between real music and a Sine wave i guess, might allow you to be happy with a smaller BIT.

HTH
Tim

Samurai7595 · « **Reply #12 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 01:04 pm »

Due to my setup and power wiring limitations, I would be using a single Bryston BIT15 (120V - 15A) power conditioner and it would not be running off of a dedicated line.

So should I be using the BIT15 for all components, including the power amp (Bryston 4B SST2)?

Diamond Dog · « **Reply #13 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 01:20 pm »

Quote from: Samurai7595 on 9 Jan 2013, 01:04 pm

Due to my setup and power wiring limitations, I would be using a single Bryston BIT15 (120V - 15A) power conditioner and it would not be running off of a dedicated line.

So should I be using the BIT15 for all components, including the power amp (Bryston 4B SST2)?

My situation is similar but with 7B SST2s. With a 4B SST2 you should be OK with the amp plugged into the BIT 15. I originally had a BIT 15 and when I plugged both amps into it, it made for an unhappy BIT - hummed and buzzed...Stepping up to a BIT 20 resolved that issue and now all is dead quiet. Ultimately, whether you end up plugging the amp into the BIT or straight into the wall will also depend on which alternative actually sounds better to you. I have tried both here and prefer both the sound and the peace of mind from a protection POV of having the amps plugged into the BIT. Some say amps should be plugged into the wall to avoid starving the amps during peaks, etc. but I've experienced no ill effects from going into the BIT.

D.D.

drummermitchell · « **Reply #14 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 02:37 pm »

I believe with the Torus you get huge reserve amounts of short term power for the amps(50-400a).
I remember when I was using 7BsstX3 with 2X4Bsst with 2subs,I had most of all that and some components plugged into a 15a Torus.
I had sound,no noise or anything,but it sound the same as all my shunyatas(nothing)that would stand where I would say wow or ohhh nice.
Since I like separates I picked up a 20a and put that in also splitting up some of the load on the 15a.
It was WTF,I actually stared at the gear,i couldn't believe the difference.
The music had the sense of power and very authoritative bottom end ect.I know the 15a couldn't handle all those amps and subs in one shot as soon as I gave them some backup,it was showtime literally.
I think if you run to much of a load into the Torus as in what I did,the same will happen.
If you use one that handles what you have,then you really get the benefits.

drummermitchell · « **Reply #15 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 02:56 pm »

Interesting read on the PS P-10
I see lots of extra stuff on it,small transformer ect.
Maybe the PC-10 is super efficient in that it doesn't need a big transformer,I don't know.Don't know if we need all that extra stuff on it.
Me,I get suspicious of lots of eye candy extras(BUT THAT's ME)
What I do know that is if the music is vastly improved,then I would like to try one and see.
We are hear to improve on the enjoyment of listening to music to the best of our abilities,if it takes the Torus,PS or M_ _ _ _ _ r

,I'm all for it as it's the Music that's the star for me and if takes different gear to do it I'm all for it. Wonder if there's a PS dealer in Edmonton that'll let me do a home audition(ITS FREE).
THX DEV,gonna see if I can bring one home.

scb · « **Reply #16 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 05:03 pm »

Anyone have any experience with the Audio Magic power conditioners and could compare to the Bryston/Torus ones?

I have an Audio Magic XXX (got it in 2004) and am wondering how different the bit15/rm15 would be

drummermitchell · « **Reply #17 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 05:18 pm »

Would be fun to line up six or so of the most popular conditioners and do a home audition.
No experience with Audio Magic.
If your asking about the BIT-15/RM-15.they are different only in their face plates.
BIT has the look of Bryston face plates.The Torus RM is rack mount(faceplate with ears)so you can mount it in a rack.
If you look on Bryston's web page you can see the BIT(faceplate),if you go to Torus site you can see the RM series and others to see the difference.

scb · « **Reply #18 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 05:37 pm »

Quote from: drummermitchell on 9 Jan 2013, 05:18 pm

If your asking about the BIT-15/RM-15.they are different only in their face plates.

Sorry, I meant I wonder how different my Audio Magic XXX would be from them

bjski · « **Reply #19 on:** 9 Jan 2013, 06:55 pm »

I have a Bit 20 with everything plug into it.
2 7Bsst/2
BDA-1
BDP-1
BDC-1
BHA-1
Bat32 SE
I agree with everything said about the inprovement using the Bit 20. I was skeptical at first but once all the equipment was pluged into it I couldn't believe the inprovement in sound. More dynamics along with lower noise floor. The background is dead quiet until the music starts.
I would think you need a Bit 20 with the 14 B.
I have a Monster AVS 2000 protecting my audio/video. I have no clue if that does anything other than protecting my a/v system. The one interesting thing it does do is tell you how many volts are coming into the house. In the summer on those brutal days I've seen it read between 106 and 108. Before I got the Bit 20 I would not play my audio system when I saw those numbers.