Music Presence

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Mag

Music Presence
« on: 14 Dec 2012, 02:08 am »
If you've ever listened to Live music, be it a concert, bar, night club, lounge. One thing that distinguishes live from a typical recording playback is what I call Music Presence. Even if the band sounds terrible, like at the last concert I attended at local arena, that Music Presence is still there.

IMO this Music Presence is not easily attained at lower SPL, unless you have a small room. This is why I listen in the 90-100 db range when I wanna Rock, to excite the room in creating Music Presence, which has a holographic quality.

Other factors that contribute to Music Presence making it more attainable:

Linearity of Bryston SST/2 amp
Transparency of pre-amp (SP2)
Upsampled resolution of the BDA-1
Quality recording

However there is an advantage at listening at moderate SPL. That is you can listen right into the heart of the music without strain on the ears. This makes it easier to follow the baseline, lead, rhythm all at the same time, which can be quite stimulating if the music's good. :smoke:

sfraser

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #1 on: 14 Dec 2012, 03:18 pm »
I think the one thing your missing is dynamics. Live music (instruments) have dynamics that hifi systems have a hard time reproducing.  I believe this  is one of the key areas James has addressed with the Model T's.

Cheers,

Mag

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #2 on: 15 Dec 2012, 06:30 am »
I think the one thing your missing is dynamics. Live music (instruments) have dynamics that hifi systems have a hard time reproducing.  I believe this  is one of the key areas James has addressed with the Model T's.

Cheers,

I'm referring more to an ambiance, but ambiance by definition is not what I mean.

Drum kits are not produced exactly either. I don't think I could bear the hard hitting dynamics of drums on a daily basis. I'll settle for a reasonable facsimile as long as the sound spectrum is balanced. :smoke:

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Re: Music Presence
« Reply #3 on: 15 Dec 2012, 10:34 am »
 Well said +1 :thumb:

sfraser

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #4 on: 15 Dec 2012, 02:32 pm »
I think the one thing your missing is dynamics. Live music (instruments) have dynamics that hifi systems have a hard time reproducing.  I believe this  is one of the key areas James has addressed with the Model T's.

Cheers,

I lean the other way, I can give way a little in the full ( or level freq. response) spectrum and ambience in return for dynamics. I guess that why I always liked my Klipsch Lascala's in the man cave. However I have spent some time and money replacing crossovers and tweeters to get the system to perform with more of the the attributes you admire. Have not been totally successfully with that. Live vocals and strings sound pretty nice now.

Mag

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #5 on: 15 Dec 2012, 04:12 pm »
Music Presence is how the sound interacts with the room at above average SPL. You can have Music Presence with bass, mids or highs depending on the song. A good test track is 'Far Above the Clouds by Mike Oldfield. If the recording is good cd quality, and your system can play it cleanly, you will be totally immersed in the sound.

What I mean by balance spectrum is the bass, mids, and highs are perceived at the same decibel level. Due to the Fletcher Munson effect bass on recording playback is perceived at approx. 6 db below the mids and highs. So if your comparing a recording to live it will sound flat in the bass freq..

I tried to compensate for this with a graphic equalizer by boosting the bass freq. 6 db. However the equalizer also masked the sound as it wasn't up to Bryston specs.

IMO the Bryston SST2 amp compensates for the Fletcher Munson perception without the need for an equalizer and without masking the sound. :smoke:

Napalm

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #6 on: 22 Dec 2012, 01:46 am »
I think the one thing your missing is dynamics. Live music (instruments) have dynamics that hifi systems have a hard time reproducing.  I believe this  is one of the key areas James has addressed with the Model T's.

Cheers,

Correction:

Live music (instruments) have dynamics that most North American studios are unwilling to reproduce on their records.

For a recent exception I recommend track 10 from the latest album "Este Mundo" signed by Rupa & The April Fishes. Guess they mixed it using iPod ear buds and couldn't hear the nice drums otherwise they would had neutered them.




werd

Re: Music Presence
« Reply #7 on: 22 Dec 2012, 03:46 am »
Correction:

Live music (instruments) have dynamics that most North American studios are unwilling to reproduce on their records.

For a recent exception I recommend track 10 from the latest album "Este Mundo" signed by Rupa & The April Fishes. Guess they mixed it using iPod ear buds and couldn't hear the nice drums otherwise they would had neutered them.


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