[China Made]

Dear all,

So below link, this AMP is 150W x 2, this manufacturer is the OEM of Red Rose (operate by famous Mark Levinson).

This AMP is manufactured in China and export to US under the brand name of Red Rose and selling at US7,000.

However, the same product produced by this factory under its name, just sell for around US600 in China.

Hi-Fi is low tech but really selling in high price cos the labor cost is quite high compare with China.


http://www.korsun.com.cn/index_products_v6i.htm

[China Made]

So, Klaus may need to think about, to move the production line to China to produce "really" low price Hi-Fi.

http://www.korsun.com.cn/index_products_v6i.htm

The above AMP, at least equal to "Stratos Plus + Tempest" (US1070+US950=OVERUS2,000, much much higher than that AMP with only US600)

In the long run, more and more Hi-Fi manufacturers will move their production line to China.

[China Made]

Dear all,

The same product is selling by Red Rose Music:


http://www.redrosemusic.com/affirmation.shtml

[Aragon]

If you wish to advertise your amps, please do so in this Market Square section.

Please do not advertise your amps in other manufactures circles.

[doug s.]

Dear all,

So below link, this AMP is 150W x 2, this manufacturer is the OEM of Red Rose (operate by famous Mark Levinson).

This AMP is manufactured in China and export to US under the brand name of Red Rose and selling at US7,000.

However, the same product produced by this factory under its name, just sell for around US600 in China.

Hi-Fi is low tech but really selling in high price cos the labor cost is quite high compare with China.


http://www.korsun.com.cn/index_products_v6i.htm

i bet that's a killer amp. there's a guy on audiogon that will sell these for $679 + $240 shipping to the usa.  i was really interested, but my max budget was $600.  

i own a korsun k2 (retails for ~$250), that redrose sold for $2k - it also is an excellent amp...

doug s.

[jswallac]

I do not doubt that there are many quality products made in China and that many of them sell for what can be called bargain prices relative to some offerings in the states.  Of course if one believes in free markets, then there is a good explanation.  I for one am willing to pay more in order to know that there is a company I can easily contact in case of a problem.  A good case in point is Jolida (I have no affiliation with Jolida other than as a customer).  I own one of their integrated amps and am VERY happy with it.  The amp is manufactured in China with final quality control here in the states.  Jolida is very well known for their customer support.  I have even called the company during off hours and got the owner on the line.  Jolida has an established dealer network and stands behind their products, as do many other American firms.  No need to ship back to China and face all the language difficulties and high costs.  Nor do you have to depend on some one-man shop serving as an importer.  So if you are a big risk taker, my all means look at these bargain amps being imported from China.  Or you can take the safer route, pay a little more (in the case of Jolida not that much more) and spend your time enjoying the music instead of worring about what happens when the music stops.

[jswallac]

I do not doubt that there are many quality products made in China and that many of them sell for what can be called bargain prices relative to some offerings in the states.  Of course if one believes in free markets, then there is a good explanation.  I for one am willing to pay more in order to know that there is a company I can easily contact in case of a problem.  A good case in point is Jolida (I have no affiliation with Jolida other than as a customer).  I own one of their integrated amps and am VERY happy with it.  The amp is manufactured in China with final quality control here in the states.  Jolida is very well known for their customer support.  I have even called the company during off hours and got the owner on the line.  Jolida has an established dealer network and stands behind their products, as do many other American firms.  No need to ship back to China and face all the language difficulties and high costs.  Nor do you have to depend on some one-man shop serving as an importer.  So if you are a big risk taker, my all means look at these bargain amps being imported from China.  Or you can take the safer route, pay a little more (in the case of Jolida not that much more) and spend your time enjoying the music instead of worring about what happens when the music stops.

[Carlman]

No need to ship back to China and face all the language difficulties and high costs. Nor do you have to depend on some one-man shop serving as an importer....

What... you mean this isn't perfectly clear?: "Hi-Fi is low tech but really selling in high price cos the labor cost is quite high compare with China. "

I got a warm sense of deep customer satisfaction from China Maid's comments like the one above.  He's really got his finger on the pulse of the audiophile and manufacturer's alike.  We should say thanks for finding this amplifier that is essentially a Mark Levinson design for a fraction of the cost.  I have absolutely no doubts based on CM's comments that....  he might run a business or something.?  

I really don't know what the original post is about.  I guess we're supposed to infer that CM's trying to sell Chinese labor to create amplifiers.  If that's the case, consider contacting the manufacturers personally after researching what they make.  

However for us consumers, consider making your point a bit better so anyone understands what you're talking about.

-C

[PhilNYC]

We should say thanks for finding this amplifier that is essentially a Mark Levinson design for a fraction of the cost ...

I know this is a little off the original topic, but the Korsun amp was not designed by Mark Levinson; Mark Levinson discovered Korsun on a trip to China and basically private-labeled an already-designed amp.  There's some evidence to suggest that the Red Rose amps do have some parts that are of higher-quality than the Korsun stuff that is sold in China, but the overall design was done by Korsun.

Same is true of the Red Rose Rosebud speakers; they were designed and sold in China by a company called Aurum Cantus (which, I believe, is making a mark in the US with their G2 and G3 ribbon tweeters).  The Rosebud II had a custom-designed crossover, but the drivers and cabinets were identical to the Aurum Cantus Leisure II speakers...and some people I have encountered have said they prefer the Aurum Cantus crossover (I own a pair of Aurum Cantus Leisure II speakers that I bought in Shanghai for US$500 (including shipping and duties) and use in my basement system for my kids with my Sharp SD-SG11).

[Peter]

Hi,

People that buy those products are poor people. They are counting every coin. Therefore fine for me. Luxury are not to poor people.

Br,
Peter

[JoshK]

Hi,

People that buy those products are poor people. They are counting every coin. Therefore fine for me. Luxury are not to poor people.

Br,
Peter

 

And your not a classist!

[Peter]

I believe you are pretty poor. Same with people buying products from for example Thailand. They are not to people that has a decent lifestyle.

[JoshK]

I believe you are pretty poor. Same with people buying products from for example Thailand. They are not to people that has a decent lifestyle.

I'm poor?  That's news to me.  

Just cause we are smart enough to not buy your overpriced crap, doesn't make us poor.

[F-100]

I think what he meant to say is that you're not filthy rich yet. In order to buy his products, you must be a millionaire    

[JoshK]

But if he is so filty rich, then why does he work and own a business?  

[doug s.]

Hi,

People that buy those products are poor people. They are counting every coin. Therefore fine for me. Luxury are not to poor people.

Br,
Peter

if someone buys a korsun v6i, it's cuz they like music, plain & simple.  based upon my experience w/the korsun u2, i am sure it's a fantastic sounding piece, that does not need to apologize for being affordable.

on the other hand, if someone wants to spend $7k for the same amp w/a red rose label on it, it tells me they don't really care about music, but that they just like to spend money, & thereby impress their acquaintances.  or, if they *do* like music, they are just plain ignorant & don't know any better.

doug s.

[Red Dragon Audio]

if someone buys a korsun v6i, it's cuz they like music, plain & simple.  based upon my experience w/the korsun u2, i am sure it's a fantastic sounding piece, that does not need to apologize for being affordable.

on the other hand, if someone wants to spend $7k for the same amp w/a red rose label on it, it tells me they don't really care about music, but that they just like to spend money, & thereby impress their acquaintances.  or, if they *do* like music, they are just plain ignorant & don't know any better.

doug s.

Sad that labels demand so much more money.  But I guess sometimes you get what you pay for...a nice label with status to go with it.

[Bill Baker]

I can't believe the direction this post has taken. Wanting to save money in purchasing audio gear does not make you a cheapskate nor does paying more for a product with reputation and integrity make you a fool with your money.

 There are many audio consumers out there that will pay top dollar for a name brand product. There are also some benefits that come along with it. Better warranty, service locations, customer service, etc.

 I think what most people look at is the fact that they know a company is going to be around for a while. How many "dealers/importers" have sprouted up claiming to have the best valued audio products (always made in China) only to fold within a 6 month period? Who's going to warranty these products? Who are these consumers going to turn to when they have questions or need service?

  I sell a few pieces that others also now offer at much cheaper prices. Difference is, I upgrade my products, test them and offer full warranty before releasing them to the consumer. Yes, you will pay a little more than you would buying it from China or a new imported that just popped up last week but I assure you that you will be more comfortable with the product and the transaction.

 Point is, it's not always a bad thing to pay a little more for a product with the comfort of knowing there will be someone to stand behind it and offer assistance for a period of longer than a few months. For those who do buy very inexpensive products that claim to be the same as others with different badges, they know the risk.

  Finally, most of us obsessed audio freaks don't keep gear long enough to worry about warranty anyway!!

  I am not taking any side in this just wanted to voice my 2 cents.

[doug s.]

I can't believe the direction this post has taken. Wanting to save money in purchasing audio gear does not make you a cheapskate nor does paying more for a product with reputation and integrity make you a fool with your money.

 There are many audio consumers out there that will pay top dollar for a name brand product. There are also some benefits that come along with it. Better warranty, service locations, customer service, etc.

 I think what most people look at is the fact that they know a company is ...

bill,

for the most part, i agree with you, but w/companies like redrose, well, they're going overboard.  ten times the markup?!?  for what?  what kinda extra service &/or quality is there in that?  the extra cash can pay for a lot of modding, & if defective, well just buy a coupla extras, or pay a good local tech to repair it - you'll still be way ahead...

regards,

doug s.

[Bill Baker]

You are correct Doug.
 In regard to the Red Rose situation, I do not know the details about these products as I don't deal at all with solid state. If they are infact the exact same products, or even only slightly different, that is far too high of a markup. There is a point where it becomes a matter of taking advantage of the consumer.

  I am more familiar with such products as the Ming-Da line of tube products where I have noticed a few companies bringing them in at very reasonable prices. The problem here is that they are offering no warranty or service and I have had countless calls about repairing some of these products. The consistency of some of these "importers" is way out of wack not knowing what they're going to get from one batch to the next. The Ming-Da pieces I bring in are very consitant and the quality control is high as I am trying to establish some intregrity with a few of the pieces I feel will do well here in the states. I better stop there as this is not the place to get into that.

  Bottom line, I agree with you to the point where there are limits and some componies go above and beyond these limits but I am not going to be the one to point fingures.