REMEMBERING THOSE THAT MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE

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REMEMBERING THOSE THAT MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE
« on: 11 Nov 2012, 07:23 pm »
November 11th.

I owe everything I have been able to do in my life to those men and women that provided me with the freedom to do so  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

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« Reply #1 on: 11 Nov 2012, 07:28 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: 11 Nov 2012, 07:55 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: 11 Nov 2012, 08:05 pm »
Hear, hear.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 Nov 2012, 08:14 pm »
Agree. We were in London for 14 yrs until a yr ago and there at 11:00 am on the 11th everything shuts down for a minute of silence. Even in the grocery store everything stops for one minute. In the US there is not such a thing that I know of. I have been to the Normandy cemetery on 4 occasions and my son got his Eagle Scout awarded on Omaha beach. We also went to the large Canadian WW2 cemetery there and if you ever get the the chance to go do so. It is really moving

When you see the row after row of crosses for young men that gave their life you begin to understand the sacrifices some have made to allow us to be free.

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« Reply #6 on: 11 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm »
November 11th.

I owe everything I have been able to do in my life to those men and women that provided me with the freedom to do so  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

James


James,

what is your idea/input behind this thread? give us more insight...if you don't mind.

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« Reply #7 on: 11 Nov 2012, 11:40 pm »

James,

what is your idea/input behind this thread? give us more insight...if you don't mind.

al.

Hi Al

You do not have Rememberance Day in Europe ?

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« Reply #8 on: 11 Nov 2012, 11:45 pm »
...yes. sure we have :wink: now i know what you mean :duh:

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« Reply #9 on: 11 Nov 2012, 11:50 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: 12 Nov 2012, 04:01 am »
   Often I take time to ponder that I have belonged to a generation that was spared the need to go to war.!Thanks to they that weren't so fortunate  . I regard today as my  personal "Thanksgiving" day because  I,(we), "slipped through the bloody"cracks of horror". Bless and remember all those that did not. :bowdown:

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« Reply #11 on: 12 Nov 2012, 04:04 am »
+1 :thumb:

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« Reply #12 on: 12 Nov 2012, 09:36 pm »
A stark image which I shall never forget as I stood in the silent company of the gravestones of mostly late teen and twenty year-olds in the Canadian section of a military cemetery in Bayeux, Normandy.




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« Reply #13 on: 12 Nov 2012, 10:27 pm »
I salute Veterans and pray for them all and their families. Many Americans don't have the understanding of what kind of men and women our military is made of or have known themselves the courage many of our soldiers have shown.

Many in our Congress and Senate don't have sons and daughters in the service and at the height of the Iraq war, refused to talk about a draft. I guess they have the guts for voting for war, but not the guts to let their children fight in it.

Check out this video of one of America's most special American Veterans, Desmond Doss. He saved about 75 American soldiers himself in WWII...(some say it was more). He earned the Medal of Honor and refused to carry or fire his weapon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKdwsWdH3A4&feature=related

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« Reply #14 on: 13 Nov 2012, 12:48 am »
Major General Smedley Butler USMC

Throughout the years various men of military service have spoken up and spoken out against the actions of the American military. Some men speak up about atrocities that have gone covered up, about discrimination, about deceptions that have been used against the American public, and about actions that have been taken that are contrary to what they view as American principles. Major General Smedley Butler is one of the most outspoken military service men who opposed the actions of the military that he served in.

Marine Smedley Darling Butler is one of the most highly decorated military men from the pre-World War II era. He served from 1898 to 1931 and saw action all over the world.



Butler became a prominent political figure and was one of America’s important leaders of the liberal movement of the 1930s. Butler advocated military isolationism and was against American involvement in World War II. His isolationist views are certainly unpopular today, and in fact are not compatible with the current geopolitical situation. His views, however, developed from 33 years of serving as what he called “a gangster for capitalism.”



Though Butler was not a member of the American Communist Party he did give speeches at Communist Party meetings in the 1930s as well as many speeches for the League Against War and Fascism. When asked about the company he was keeping he noted, “They told me I’d find a nest of communists here. I told them ‘What the hell of it!’” 


All told Butler gave over 1,200 speeches in over 700 cities during his speaking tour of the United States.

In 1935 Butler published War is a Racket, which got high praise at the time, as well as strong criticism. The forward by Lowell Thomas spoke of Butler’s “moral as well as physical courage” and noted that “Even his opponents concede that in his stand on public questions, General Butler has been motivated by the same fiery integrity and loyal patriotism which has distinguished his service in countless Marine campaigns.” 

What Butler fought so hard to do was to take the focus off of moral and ideological arguments for war and concentrate on the geopolitical factors that actually motivated war. He tried to raise awareness of what the real motivating factors of war were as well as the consequences of war. He was one of the first Americans to really bring the economic implications of war to the forefront of the public conscience. In War is a Racket Butler “names names” and lays out in wonderfully blunt detail how the American “military machine” was used to the benefit of wealthy American industrialists. He noted how proponents of war typically call on God as a supporter of the cause and how they embellish the mission as one of liberation and the spreading of freedom, but that these people tend to shy away from discussing the economic details of military ventures.

Butler didn’t choose sides when it came to expressing his views on war. Butler could certainly be considered a liberal but he spoke out against the liberal FDR administration and also broke ties with anti-fascist groups when they called for war to defend against fascism. In 1935 he commented to a veterans meeting on the subject of the growing interest in the FDR administration to become involved in the conflicts of Europe that, “The political leaders of this country are for another conflict to cover up their blunders.”

Though most today would agree that his isolationist views would have been harmful had they been followed by the country in regard to American involvement in WWII his views on imperialism and the economic implications of war are still as relevant today as ever.

The following is an excerpt from a speech he gave in 1933:

    “War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

    I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

    I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

    There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

    It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

    I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

    During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

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« Reply #15 on: 13 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm »
Every day my travel to work takes me past this memorial place, which I respectfully and thankfully salute with you all:
http://nl.tracesofwar.com/artikel/334/Canadese-Oorlogsbegraafplaats-Bergen-op-Zoom.htm



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« Reply #16 on: 16 Nov 2012, 09:27 pm »
Enjoying a day off today and I took this opportunity to visit a small rural graveyard that I pass by every now and then where I have noticed a military headstone. It turns out that it is a World War I grave and what is really outstanding is that someone places Canadian flags and a poppy on it.





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