2013 Capitol Audio Fest

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Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #100 on: 27 Jul 2013, 03:50 am »
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Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #101 on: 27 Jul 2013, 03:52 am »
This was their pic before the Post office pic:






Someone showed they are saving their best pic for the Post Office shot:





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Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #102 on: 27 Jul 2013, 06:40 am »
Phil caught me in mid-dip, damn-it!

My first day impressions : I tried to take my time a bit more, but what I visited:

504 / Command Performance AV / Raidho / Hegel / VPI Classic 4 / Luxman DSD dac : I'm biased because this is my dealer & I helped to at least shlep things there.  Jeff always takes a lot of pains to set up a room so it sounds good, including working with placement / cables / acoustic treatments / etc.  He's no slacker & the gear is first rate. Raidho's are eye wateringly expensive, but among the best I've heard and overall the sound is excellent.  But hear for yourself.

508 / VPI + Joseph Audio (Pulsars).  Also featuring VAS EL34 monoblocks.  Pulsar's always sound great.  My main problem is with room set up.  Speakers need to be full across length w/ gear in the back right niche, both to allow more rows / seating in the sweet-spot, and to help tame a bass boom (even after they've used bass traps).  Speakers are also set to far apart, creating too much discontinuity.  Sound otherwise has great mid-range still with decent detail & PRAT.  What you'd expect w/ Pulsar + an EL34 amp.

517 / Robyatt Audio. Quad 63's sound awesome.  I could find nothing to quibble about, even at the $5K asking price w/ stands (very useful so you can listen at reasonable seating height). I WANT!! Mayajima monoblocks sounded good, albeit at $20K for the pair, quite pricey.  Yeah, they're all hand built by a little Japanese elf.  Guy running the room is not afraid to stray from the audiophile war-horse tracks, which is refreshing. 

603 / Merrill + Channel D + Sanders.  Sound was a bit "harder" than I would like.  I don't think the Sander's like being driven that hard, or else the Merrill monoblocks need a bit more refinement.  Both the Sanders @ $12K and $14K a pair respectively are grossly overpriced.  Anyone heard of Magnepan + Wyred4Sound?   I learned A LOT from the Channel D guy both about my Pure Music software + other software they have which I'm considering + works w/ Pure Music (to do RTA / EQ to feed Pure Music).  PM in memory mode has been the most cost effective digital sound investment I've made.

608 / Everything Audio Network. By far the most useful visit so far - worth the admission just for this.  They have a "stack of DACs" which includes all the "hot" models : TEAC HDA1, Mytek, Hilo, Benchmark, and even a Parasound ZDAC fed into a Rogue Audio hybrid integrated & Legacy bookshelf speakers.  Media server is an Oppo 95.  Guy running the room has carefully level matched these DACs.  In the room was also Phila + Alan Silverman, the keynote speaker Saturday. 

He switched between all 5 + the Oppo w/ PCM and mostly redbook (no DSD even those most of these are capable).  Conclusion : they all virtually sounded THE SAME!  From $400 for the Parasound to up to close to $2K.  Both Alan & I had a slight preference for the TEAC, having a bit more "air". I think it's probably due to the Muse op-amps.  Fortunately that's also the cheapest DSD dac, at $850 retail (though reports are that +10% discounts are readily available).

My take away : if I was starting over I'd get an Oppo 105 both for sound + video & media server.  If I didn't need all those bells + whistles : the Teac.  I think we all agreed that you need to go to a much more expensive dac w/ a much better analog stage before you really start getting a substantially improved sound.  E.g. the $7500 retail Meitner.  Gotta say the Auralic dac (not shown but Command AV has it) @ $3500 retail is a very good middle step both for PCM & DSD. 

Lastly, the Rogue Audio w/ the Legacy speaker + Oppo as server + these dacs sounded damn fine.  I could be very happy with such as system.

610 / ModWright Instruments.  The "budget" room (if you can call a $5K integrated amp "budget").  I always complain about pricing though.  Sounded damn fine w/ modded Oppo 105.  My slight complaint is sound is a bit too "hard" / "hi-fi".  But that could also be a room or ac issue. Very good clean modern sound though.

806 / GT Audio Works. Smaller GT Audio hybrid planar + passive dynamic woofer speaker.  Very fine sound reminiscent to me of MMG's, but a bit rounder (in a good way) bottom end.  Heard gunned MMG's sound more linear, but not go down quite as deep. At the price I'd go Magnepan - but of course as a Magnepan owner I'd say that........

Most interesting of all though was absolutely amazing BG Radia subwoofer system.  Cleanest, deepest, fastest sub-bass I've ever heard.  Investigating these for myself.  If it were a bit cheaper, or I was less cheap, would be an automatic buy. 

808 / Woo Audio.  To me the best made / best value in high-end audio.  Too bad I'm not a headphone guy.  Beautifully built (in Brooklyn !) + sounding headphone amps at unbelievably low prices.  Really gives the lie to those saying that well made high end gear can't be done in the USA at reasonable price.  Of all the headphones, the Audeze LCD2 remain my favorites - even over the pricier LCD3.  Mini-Maggies on your head! Great set up w/ the laptops w/ same music so you can go around + compare.

810 / Synthesis + Pro-Ac.  Not bad, but not great : somewhat thin.  I think Synthesis does better w/ their cutesy lower power tubes amps both for sound quality, cosmetics, and price.  Last year the set-up sounded a bit better with these than the more powerful 100WPC Synthesis they were featuring.  Tube rolling issue perhaps?

817 / GT Audio, etc.  Triode Labs guy comped me a beer, so feel bad slamming the sound, but those GT Audio speakers are WAY too big for that room, causing ugly bass booming / rumble with the TT.  The $1800 italian cartridge on the Kuzuma table is SO bright with brass it literally hurt my ears.  I'm sure all these things could work so much better in another room. 

The BSG QOL Signal Completion Stage.  I'll just come out & say it : a "loudness switch" scam.  And an expensive one at that ($4K!).  Shame on BSG and shame on the reviewers keeping this one alive.

Have I held your interest this long..........?

Whew - didn't realize I had been to so many room until now.  And I thought I was taking it easy! 

vinyl_guy

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #103 on: 27 Jul 2013, 10:51 am »
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My take away : if I was starting over I'd get an Oppo 105 both for sound + video & media server.  If I didn't need all those bells + whistles : the Teac.  I think we all agreed that you need to go to a much more expensive dac w/ a much better analog stage before you really start getting a substantially improved sound.  E.g. the $7500 retail Meitner.  Gotta say the Auralic dac (not shown but Command AV has it) @ $3500 retail is a very good middle step both for PCM & DSD.

Another option is to get the Oppo and have Dan Wright do his tube mod magic to the analog stage and you will have substantially improved the sound at a significantly lower cost than the Meitner. I think Dan is giving a discount on the tube mod if you place an order at the show.

Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #104 on: 27 Jul 2013, 12:11 pm »
I heard the BSG QOL Signal Completion Stage when we went to a friend of HAL's in MD several months back.  It was hit and miss with materials and seemed in general to sap some of the dynamics to achieve its effect.  Did not care for it.

Jon, I kept the best pics for later :green: :green: :green:

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Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #105 on: 27 Jul 2013, 12:22 pm »
Okay, my job is to report about the lunch menu at the hotel.  As expected nothing special, the Crown was better.   But they do have a couple of steaks, some nice looking burgers and sandwiches, panninis, and salmon, chicken and pasta.  All in all acceptable for lunch, but they must think they're the Ritz for the prices they charge.  @ 17 - 20 a plate no thanks.

dB Cooper

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #106 on: 27 Jul 2013, 01:01 pm »
The deli across the street is Cheap n' Cheerful. Ate there yesterday &probably will do so again today.

Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #107 on: 27 Jul 2013, 01:57 pm »
Phil caught me in mid-dip, damn-it!



I missed Doug having his vintage tuna taco though

jarcher

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Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #108 on: 27 Jul 2013, 03:58 pm »
Another option is to get the Oppo and have Dan Wright do his tube mod magic to the analog stage and you will have substantially improved the sound at a significantly lower cost than the Meitner. I think Dan is giving a discount on the tube mod if you place an order at the show.

The mod sounded good, but to me not $1500 better than a stock Oppo 105 (or was it $2500)?  But I am very price / performance conscious as you'll have noticed........ :lol:

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Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #109 on: 27 Jul 2013, 04:00 pm »
The Tastee Diner is a decent super cheap option : one block down & one block to the right.  Service could be a bit quicker - maybe if you sit at the counter instead if you're in a hurry.

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Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #110 on: 28 Jul 2013, 01:17 am »
The Tastee Diner is a decent super cheap option : one block down & one block to the right.  Service could be a bit quicker - maybe if you sit at the counter instead if you're in a hurry.

We went there for breakfast, and service was quick and competent, the food was very good for diner fare.  However since we went there about 10am for breakfast we passed on lunch with Phil and Steve, sorry guys, we had no room for food then.  Went over to Mi Rancho for lunch around 3:30, which is almost next door to the Diner, and it was decent Mexican fare for you easterners, nothing like home in SoCal though.  But it was tasty and filling if a little over priced.  We had to miss the dinner tonight as we had to be back here by 9pm latest.  However got to see many of the guys at the show as we traveled the different rooms.  We missed more than we saw I think, but I'll put  up some pics later.   

pansixt

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #111 on: 28 Jul 2013, 01:32 am »
Guess I have my work cut out for me tomorrow trying to take in as much of this as I can.

Great reviews and info ladies and gentlemen.

Did anyone run across Bunky this year?

James

Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #112 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:26 am »
The mod sounded good, but to me not $1500 better than a stock Oppo 105 (or was it $2500)?  But I am very price / performance conscious as you'll have noticed........ :lol:

It is $2.5k.  One has to remember with a transport that it has a limited life as far as support goes (whether it is Sony or Phillips or whatever).  Probably around 1999 I bought a lightly used Sony XA-777ES for $1.7k (was $3k list) and had Dan do his Absolute Truth Mod for $2.6k.  Digital itself changes more rapidly than analog stuff.  Today, I would just buy a better DAC (as I did) for digital.

Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #113 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:29 am »
Surreal Sound, Merrill Audio, VPI




Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #114 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:34 am »
Soundfield Audio, Audience,  Kevin Kemp Audio




Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #115 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:38 am »
Odyssey Audio




Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #116 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:40 am »
Janzen Electrostatic Speakers




Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #117 on: 28 Jul 2013, 02:47 am »
GT Audio Works 1






GT Audio Works 2 - Rollo -Triode - Kanso




Phil A

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
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dB Cooper

Re: 2013 Capitol Audio Fest
« Reply #119 on: 28 Jul 2013, 04:04 am »
This is my show wrapup as I will not be there tomorrow, was there bell to bell Fri and Sat and made all but a couple of the rooms compared to the 30-35% I probably got to last year. I hardly took any pics this year because of the Haunted House lighting motif in so many rooms but here are a couple things that caught my eye:

A view camera. I need to get behind the ground glass again.





Open baffle full range speakers, a bit... uhh.... unusual (I don't know why the pic insists on rotating):





Met Frank van Alstine after many years (he has a great new preamp) and Jim Salk (a real straight shooter type who could probably get more for his speakers if he wanted to).

The big surprise for me was how strongly I tended to prefer the simpler systems] most of the ear-grabbers for me were two way systems: Odyssey Lorelei (Great sound and the best value at the show hands down), Joseph Audio (although they should have turned the subsonic filter in their preamp on IMO), Harbeth, Audio Note UK, Salk Veracity ST, Surreal Audio (with the Heil AMT tweeter). There were some standout three ways too: In particular Philharmonic's small towers and Daedalus' impressive Pans. Several multiway systems seemed to have driver blending shortcomings that often made me aware of listening to individual drivers playing several different frequency ranges. As one person showing a two way system put it, "The more drivers, the harder it is to fool the brain into thinking it is hearing a single coherent acoustic event." It can be done, but was often not always so. There also seems to be a growing trend towards (occasionally very) bright systems. I left most such rooms quickly.  I have a hard time giving a pass on issues such as these when the speaker is priced at, or pushing, five figures.

Which brings me to another point.

Back in the iron age, I was a wide eyed 14yo kid who heard his first remotely decent component system and was so blown away that I saved up every dime I got my hands on for a year and bought a Dyna SCA80 kit, a pair of Dyna A25's, a Dual TT  and Shure M91E cart. I was a kid in an upper middle class household, not rich, but that $330 system was within reach (I paid for all of it) and gave me around ten years of musical enjoyment. Bought a tuner and tape deck when I had the money for those.

Put that kid in an audio show of today, like CAF, and what would be today's counterpart to that affordable, but musically satisfying system?

IMHO there isn't one.

Today's kid would get the message (sometimes overtly) that his soundstage will collapse unless he spends that much on his power cord. He would be told, sometimes flat out, that he needs another megabucks cable to get the signal out of his TT (if he even buys one) without losing all his 'rhythm' and 'pacing'. Alternatively, a $1000 DAC might squeak by for digital until he can afford something 'good'.

I have a price list in front of me from a room showing a two way speaker. It cost over $9K a pair, 169 times what my A25's cost. Their TT cost $3500 if one were to forgo the $2400 external power supply. Two grand for the arm and $4100 for the cart and you have a nice vinyl rig for only 96 times what my first TT cost. Better? Sure hope so. But maybe the listener isn't into vinyl; in that case the CD transport and DAC for a combined $22,000 might be a better choice. That would also remove the need for the $20,000 phono preamp and the $6500 step up transformer.

 The system referred to (I didn't even add in the power amp) was neither the most nor the least expensive at the show. From least to most expensive, it was probably in about the 65th percentile.  Even taking inflation into account, it was many times more expensive than my first (or second)(or third)(or any) system.One exhibitor told me that since this was a 'high end' show, that is what they brought, none of their moderately priced stuff. Maybe they should reconsider. Despite what some would have you believe, it is possible to put together a satisfying, reasonably accurate sound system for less than the cost of a college education at a decent school. Are they afraid that if they show reasonably priced gear, some won't be able to tell the difference, and will opt for the lower cost/lower profit margin system?

Despite what you may think if I haven't lost you already, this isn't about price. People are free to spend whatever they want on their audio equipment even though I heard limited correlation between cost and SQ at the show. It's about having an option for that teenage kid who has just gotten the 'bug'. It's about educating the public that they can get better musical enjoyment without spending sums that sometimes seem to be more about conspicuous consumption than about music. For the audio hobby to thrive, it can't be just a rich man's hobby. The love of music is a nearly universal constant. The audience was, is, and always will be there.

If I was running an audio show, I would allocate one solitary room to 'comp' to makers of inexpensive, entry level gear; the Orbit TT for example. Enough component vendors to form a complete system would be chosen.  The winners would have to win an essay contest as to why they were most deserving, and would have to make whatever they bring work with whatever everybody else brings. It would be 'pot luck'. (Make your own 'synergy'.) Sink or swim; and if some makers of megabuck systems get 'shown up', and some surely would, then phooey on them.

Despite this mega-rant, I did enjoy the show and hanging out with my fellow audiophools. Looking forward to more reports and photos.