[PRELUDE]

After the TAVES show over the weekend when I came back home after took a shower and ate something It was seems like I am missing something.That was music!!!!! Yes,music.I cannot understand it why the demos have to be so weak.I am keep thinking to remember if I ever could hear the whole song in any show any where.The demonstrators and manufactures seems like ignoring to play music.It just a cut or some bass material for few seconds and that is it.The worst part is if you have your own music and would like to listen to it usually three things happen here.
1.They are not set up for you music format.
2.They ignore to play anything excluding their own material.
3.About 50% of them have only download or just turntable.
The second problem is the room treatment and the set up.I think we have no choices here or the better places to do the shows but the hotel rooms and I know it might be a lot of work but if your stuff sounds horrible then you won't able to sell them also.So which one would be the worst?I think the room treatment is important when you are talking about hotel rooms because non of this rooms were build for sound any way and if not all but 50% of people have much better rooms then the hotel rooms.
And the last one is some of this manufactures or retailers are not good demonstrators and have a little knowledge about music.Well,I thought all this was for love of music.
I know it is not a easy job but interest should be involved some how and I cannot believe how expensive this rooms are.

[Guy 13]

After the TAVES show over the weekend when I came back home after took a shower and ate something It was seems like I am missing something.That was music!!!!! Yes,music.I cannot understand it why the demos have to be so weak.I am keep thinking to remember if I ever could hear the whole song in any show any where.The demonstrators and manufactures seems like ignoring to play music.It just a cut or some bass material for few seconds and that is it.The worst part is if you have your own music and would like to listen to it usually three things happen here.
1.They are not set up for you music format.
2.They ignore to play anything excluding their own material.
3.About 50% of them have only download or just turntable.
The second problem is the room treatment and the set up.I think we have no choices here or the better places to do the shows but the hotel rooms and I know it might be a lot of work but if your stuff sounds horrible then you won't able to sell them also.So which one would be the worst?I think the room treatment is important when you are talking about hotel rooms because non of this rooms were build for sound any way and if not all but 50% of people have much better rooms then the hotel rooms.
And the last one is some of this manufactures or retailers are not good demonstrators and have a little knowledge about music.Well,I thought all this was for love of music.
I know it is not a easy job but interest should be involved some how and I cannot believe how expensive this rooms are.

Hi PRELUDE and all Audio Circle members.

I agree 100% with you.

At an audio show in Vietnam held at the Saigon New World hotel some years ago,
because of the acoustic of the hotel room,
the sound was so bad,
more than 50% of the potential buyers left the room only a few minutes
after they have entered.
The amplifier was Classe Audio and the seakers were B&W.
Myself, I stayed there only 30 seconds...

Guy 13

[PETE6737]

I remember listening the Krell room at Axpona last year. It was a horribly shaped room with no treatments but a fake palm tree. All those thousands of dollars for gear sounded horrible. The rep should have been fired.  It was that bad.

[rollo]

   As one who does the show thing I will agree that the music selections are very limited. However I disagree with the rooms as an excuse for lacking sonics.
   If a dealer or Manf. cannot get good sound there then how will it sound good in a home setting. Most homes do not have dedicated rooms.  We use no room treatments and get VG results. Then there is the power issues feeding the systems. We had zero issues with poor electric.
   If the room is too small  or large then the shower made an error. Blaming show conditions IMO is baloney. If i am going to sow a system it my responsibility to create a good sound. We bring gear that is well broken in no excuse about break in.
   So I say stop whining [ demonstrators ] about the conditions and make it work.


charles

[Darac]

Illusion is the expectation of a good sound in the hotel room. Much depends on the organizer sajma.Kao former presenter I know well what torments must pass distributors never been satisfied

[srb]

Illusion is the expectation of a good sound in the hotel room. Much depends on the organizer sajma.Kao former presenter I know well what torments must pass distributors never been satisfied

I guess I will need to run that through Google Translate.
 
Steve

[FullRangeMan]

Audio shows are great to listen headphones.

[mrhyfy]

I don't even expect to hear good music at an audio show!!   I go with low expectations just to see the stuff!! 
 If a setup sounds great at a show that's nice but if it doesn't sound good that doesn't necessarily reflect on the equipment being auditioned.

[PRELUDE]

   As one who does the show thing I will agree that the music selections are very limited. However I disagree with the rooms as an excuse for lacking sonics.
   If a dealer or Manf. cannot get good sound there then how will it sound good in a home setting. Most homes do not have dedicated rooms.  We use no room treatments and get VG results. Then there is the power issues feeding the systems. We had zero issues with poor electric.
   If the room is too small  or large then the shower made an error. Blaming show conditions IMO is baloney. If i am going to sow a system it my responsibility to create a good sound. We bring gear that is well broken in no excuse about break in.
   So I say stop whining [ demonstrators ] about the conditions and make it work.


charles

I wish I could run a poll on what you are saying to see how many people would be agree with you.

[Big Red Machine]

I agree with Charles.  ALL exhibitors know the dimensions of their rooms and SHOULD know that they will sound like crap if they do not try to treat the room.  Minimal treatments are all that is needed for a show as there are no hour long auditions as folks come and go so a basic attack on the main reflections will do a nice job in making a crappy room respectable.

There are a few resourceful folks who go to the local Home Depot and but 8 rolls of insulation and set up bass traps in the corners behind curtains.  When the show is over they return the unused rolls for full refund. 

On the topic of music, I will make sure all types of music are available in my room but it will be digital so it can be queued quickly.  If someone wants rock or jazz or orchestral, we'll have it.  But sitting through an entire song is not necessary to get a feel for the sound and so as not to bore others who want their type played and don't want to sit through a full 3 or more minutes.  All folks running a room need to facilitate the group of folks present at any one time and keep it moving for both the folks already there and those who just came in who you want to stay for a little while.  It's a balancing act.

[Rclark]

 It doesn't matter what industry you're in, some people just don't get that you're there to enthrall and overwhelm the customer with the superiority of your product.

 Make sure your room and setup is up to snuff and then give them what they want. Seems easy enough. I should be in charge of a room.

 - and yes be open to all types of music... hold your nose for a day.

[Letitroll98]

...I disagree with the rooms as an excuse for lacking sonics....
Blaming show conditions IMO is baloney. If i am going to sow a system it my responsibility to create a good sound. We bring gear that is well broken in no excuse about break in.
   So I say stop whining [ demonstrators ] about the conditions and make it work.


charles

Having personally heard Charles' rooms I can testify that what he says is true.  He had lovely sound coming from a fairly minimalist set-up.  I don't know if he was best in show, but certainly in the nomination list.  That being said, I think he had an advantage in not having to assemble a large display.  The best and worst I've heard at shows were large, full range systems.  They have more "room" to excel or fail completely. 

Experience and planning play a big roll here.  Having set up many industrial, non audio, show displays, I can tell you how much knowing the layout, planning enough time for setup, having enough personnel, spare parts, transportation, and a zillion other things go into making a successful show display.  Hats off to those who do it right.