[kevin360]

Let me first say that I am glad you love your Epik sub. I like the philosophy of the company. I'm intrigued by the operating theory of their subs. It might be the ideal sub to place in the rear of my room (yes, Scotty, that idea is alive and well inside my head). If that plate amp actually bears a sticker stating Made in USA, then I'm mighty impressed. Regardless, it seems like a great bargain, not unlike a pair of MMGs – a good match they should make.

Something about your review confuses me, however. On the one hand, you stated that your Magnestand modded MMGs produce more bass than stock, but a different post implies that your Epik Legend is rolled off somewhere in the midbass region. Have I inferred in error?

I really only want my subs to contribute what my Maggies don't – deep bass. In my parallel setup with MMGs and REL Q150s, the subs are set at 54Hz – providing plenty of overlap with the elevated MMGs (which are doing their best to reproduce a full-range signal, but failing); higher filter points reenforce frequencies that don't need any help (the MMGs are doing a spectacular job on their own). In my 3.7/DefTech SC Ref setup, a Bryston 10B Sub XO is dividing the chores. The latter is really the best way to go about it – let the subs do what they're designed to excel at doing while relieving the Magnepans of work they're 'happier' avoiding (win/win).

Audio systems are journeys. There are many paths through the woods. I recommend that you 'think seriously about' implementing a crossover. There just may be an even better level of integration right around the bend – you're standing so close. Push on mate, push on.

BTW, I like your enthusiasm. Enjoyment is the name of the game – this is a hedonist pursuit!

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Davey, that Dayton sub looks like a hell of a bargain! I built a sub for my daughter using Dayton Reference drivers and one of their plate amps - amazingly good stuff for the money.

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I definitely subscribe to the 'multiple subs beats one' philosophy...and how!

[Rclark]

@Jim

Right now I have both RCA's from Output 2 on the Warp combined via splitter to one and this is going to the Legend crossover. So mono. I'd like to run this same cable into something that has a lot of control and multiple outputs, but I will sure put some research into what you have given me 

[medium jim]

Let me first say that I am glad you love your Epik sub. I like the philosophy of the company. I'm intrigued by the operating theory of their subs. It might be the ideal sub to place in the rear of my room (yes, Scotty, that idea is alive and well inside my head). If that plate amp actually bears a sticker stating Made in USA, then I'm mighty impressed. Regardless, it seems like a great bargain, not unlike a pair of MMGs – a good match they should make.

Something about your review confuses me, however. On the one hand, you stated that your Magnestand modded MMGs produce more bass than stock, but a different post implies that your Epik Legend is rolled off somewhere in the midbass region. Have I inferred in error?

I really only want my subs to contribute what my Maggies don't – deep bass. In my parallel setup with MMGs and REL Q150s, the subs are set at 54Hz – providing plenty of overlap with the elevated MMGs (which are doing their best to reproduce a full-range signal, but failing); higher filter points reenforce frequencies that don't need any help (the MMGs are doing a spectacular job on their own). In my 3.7/DefTech SC Ref setup, a Bryston 10B Sub XO is dividing the chores. The latter is really the best way to go about it – let the subs do what they're designed to excel at doing while relieving the Magnepans of work they're 'happier' avoiding (win/win).

Audio systems are journeys. There are many paths through the woods. I recommend that you 'think seriously about' implementing a crossover. There just may be an even better level of integration right around the bend – you're standing so close. Push on mate, push on.

BTW, I like your enthusiasm. Enjoyment is the name of the game – this is a hedonist pursuit!

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Davey, that Dayton sub looks like a hell of a bargain! I built a sub for my daughter using Dayton Reference drivers and one of their plate amps - amazingly good stuff for the money.

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I definitely subscribe to the 'multiple subs beats one' philosophy...and how!

Kevin:

Well Stated!

Jim

[medium jim]

@Jim

Right now I have both RCA's from Output 2 on the Warp combined via splitter to one and this is going to the Legend crossover. So mono. I'd like to run this same cable into something that has a lot of control and multiple outputs, but I will sure put some research into what you have given me 

So not being familar with the Warpspeed, are you saying that you are running one set of channels to the Maggies and the other set of channels to the subs?  Better said, one set of speaker outs to the maggies and another set of speaker outs to the subs? 

Jim

[Rclark]

Let me first say that I am glad you love your Epik sub. I like the philosophy of the company. I'm intrigued by the operating theory of their subs. It might be the ideal sub to place in the rear of my room (yes, Scotty, that idea is alive and well inside my head). If that plate amp actually bears a sticker stating Made in USA, then I'm mighty impressed. Regardless, it seems like a great bargain, not unlike a pair of MMGs – a good match they should make.

Something about your review confuses me, however. On the one hand, you stated that your Magnestand modded MMGs produce more bass than stock, but a different post implies that your Epik Legend is rolled off somewhere in the midbass region. Have I inferred in error?

I really only want my subs to contribute what my Maggies don't – deep bass. In my parallel setup with MMGs and REL Q150s, the subs are set at 54Hz – providing plenty of overlap with the elevated MMGs (which are doing their best to reproduce a full-range signal, but failing); higher filter points reenforce frequencies that don't need any help (the MMGs are doing a spectacular job on their own). In my 3.7/DefTech SC Ref setup, a Bryston 10B Sub XO is dividing the chores. The latter is really the best way to go about it – let the subs do what they're designed to excel at doing while relieving the Magnepans of work they're 'happier' avoiding (win/win).

Audio systems are journeys. There are many paths through the woods. I recommend that you 'think seriously about' implementing a crossover. There just may be an even better level of integration right around the bend – you're standing so close. Push on mate, push on.

BTW, I like your enthusiasm. Enjoyment is the name of the game – this is a hedonist pursuit!

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Davey, that Dayton sub looks like a hell of a bargain! I built a sub for my daughter using Dayton Reference drivers and one of their plate amps - amazingly good stuff for the money.

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I definitely subscribe to the 'multiple subs beats one' philosophy...and how!

 
 Some reviews are so dry! So if you are truly enjoying the piece of gear I think that should come out. Plus I wanted to help put out the word on Epik, honestly this is better bass than I was even expecting.


 To any confusion, yes the Magnestand puts out good usable bass, but right now I am back to my Virtue amp, which does not have anywhere near the ooomph or depth of the Ncores, so I have the Legend crossed up pretty high. There's no real problems though, I can tell where the sub is (but man, the midbass is excellent), but my further implementation of the "swarm" will alleviate this. Also bringing Ncores back will allow me to drop them down some.

 As an experiment, I've brought my 10" ported sub back into the room and I have moved it around and messed with it. The soundquality of bass drops when it is switched on, but the smoothness  in the room is definitely increased.

 However, just the Legend by itself is remarkably smooth, with each twelve loading half the room. Three or four of these should be ridiculously good. And for all that cone area just loafing along, cheap 

[Rclark]

So not being familar with the Warpspeed, are you saying that you are running one set of channels to the Maggies and the other set of channels to the subs?  Better said, one set of speaker outs to the maggies and another set of speaker outs to the subs? 

Jim

 Yep, exactly. One set of outs is combined to one RCA, and that into the sub crossover.

[medium jim]

Rclark:

Not trying to mess with you, but if you can notice where the sub is, you have too much gain and it isn't properly integrated.  Play with it by lowering the gain a little until the sub disappears, you still will have deep, powerful bass, but at the proper levels and will really clean up the sound. 

Jim

[medium jim]

 Yep, exactly. One set of outs is combined to one RCA, and that into the sub crossover.

It would be more efficient to only use one channel to feed the subs and then from the subs to your Maggie's.  The way you have it now, you are only getting half of the amps output to the Maggie's. Moreover, you are running the Maggie's full spectrum.

Jim

[Rclark]

 

 Jim, I'm listening to it this way now just to enjoy the midbass punch, I normally do have it a bit lower. And I will drop it considerably further when the Ncores are back.

 It's really blended very well as is though, there just happens to be a kickdrum front and center at the moment. But the tone matches.

[Davey]

The Warpspeed has paralleled outputs?  If so, when you "merge" one set of left/right outputs together you'll also be affecting the other set.  Depending upon what value summing resistors (if at all) you use, left/right channel separation could be anywhere between normal and full mono.

Jim,

You've got to get rid of those Maggie-mates.    Contact me offline and I'll fix you up with something much better.

Cheers,

Dave.

[medium jim]

Davey:

PM Sent

Jim

[Rclark]

 I should be entering the realm of active preamp with multiple sub outs soon anyway, if the XSP-1 comes out soon. The Warpspeed may end up in a drawer.

[Rclark]

Enjoying some Billy Cox on bass right now. 

Great sub!

[poseidonsvoice]

Rclark-Nice review.

Davey-thanks for the link on the dual opposed Dayton sub, it's like throwing some meat out for the diyers! Still the ultimate sub may be a dual opposed LMS unit!

Thank you.

Anand.

[Rclark]

Haha don't count out the Seaton Submersive! Oh my goodness!

[Davey]

The opposed configuration has one more advantage that might not be considered by most.....the reduced vibration subjects the amplifier to less vibration.
Many years ago when I did repairs on amplifiers, a few were subwoofer amps that were (literally) shaken to pieces by the environment they were used in.  I believe many of the newer amps are more robustly constructed (a Keiga amp I recently saw looked much better) but the preferrable location for these amps is (still) located away from physical contact with the woofer enclosure.

Cheers,

Dave.

[SteveFord]

Is the demise of the cylindrical subs (with outboard amplifier) simply due to the fact that they look like black water heaters?

[medium jim]

If you want to give your sub a true workout, consider some Billy Sheehan or Jaco Pastorious.  Even better, some Bach on a Pipe Organ.

Jim

[Rclark]

I'll check that stuff out. I wasn't aware of Pat Metheny either until recently, that live performance sounds so good and is a real speaker benchmark.

[SteveFord]

PJ Harvey's To Bring You My Love should get the floor rattling a bit.
ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition can be fun, too.