Versalex 10.5" tonearm setting problem

threadkiller · « **Reply #20 on:** 8 Aug 2012, 01:40 pm »

Hi wa
If that's the case, then you put the line over the pulley the wrong way. Take it off and reverse it.

rob400 · « **Reply #21 on:** 10 Apr 2013, 02:33 pm »

I'd just like to add that unlike on many tonearms iit's best not to fully tighten every securing bolt fitted to the LTD. By that I mean fully tighten then slip off just a little. It's amazing how the way my WT Versalex/ Dynavector/ Shahinian system responds so differently to my old LP12/ Naim equipment did with regard to set up. In brief also avoid glass, spikes, esoteric mains cables and seperately mains circuits IMO. Move toward timber racks and cones and basic electric supply. It took a a comprehensive listen to convert me but the sound is definately more natural!

SteevA · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 Apr 2013, 03:09 pm »

Quote from: rob400 on 10 Apr 2013, 02:33 pm

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. It's amazing how the way my WT Versalex/ Dynavector/ Shahinian system responds so differently to my old LP12/ Naim equipment did with regard to set up......

What Dynavector amp?

Steve

Charisma12 · « **Reply #23 on:** 14 Apr 2013, 11:52 pm »

Please make sure that the golf ball does not touch the bottom of the bearing cup.

rob400 · « **Reply #24 on:** 15 Apr 2013, 11:54 am »

Hi Steve.

I run a L200mk2 with Densen B310 amp for now but am looking to purchase a HX100 in a couple of months time. Interestingly the upgrade path I plan will deviate from the flat-earth approach, I was more impressed by the B310 to HX100 improvement than L200 to L300 even with Compass. My end game is Versalex/XX2 P75mk3 L300/HX100 Obelisks 2 (I was also very impressed with the Densen 440xs cd player). I feel that it is an incredibly natural and neutral system especially through the mids and highs. I can't think of any caveat whilst recommending this kit.

Rob

threadkiller · « **Reply #25 on:** 15 Apr 2013, 12:45 pm »

Excellent system, Rob, I know it well. But why not get the L300 with phono stage rather than going p-75?

rob400 · « **Reply #26 on:** 16 Apr 2013, 12:01 am »

Hi friend.

I payed £2500 for the L200 and £400 for the P75 mk2. If I recall the L300 was £2k more so I simply couldn't stretch to it. The latest L200 pre's are damn good IMO! In fact I don't feel desperate to upgrade any of my kit it's so good. My only gripe is the plywood edge to the Versalex plinth. It's a poor concept IMO and wasn't even stained to a high standard. I'm a Carpenter and joiner by trade and as my top veneer had a strong black fleck to the walnut veneer I decided to sand down the edge and paint with a black model paint which matches the platter and arm very nicely. I will download a video of it to you tube when I've worked out how to do it.....

Video of my now black edged Versalex now on you tube for those interested. Simply search using words Well Tempered and it can be found.

threadkiller · « **Reply #27 on:** 16 Apr 2013, 12:26 am »

Agree on the L200- he has raised the bar. I thought the same when I first heard it.
Not a fan of the Versalex look, so I can understand your disappointment.
You should have a stellar sounding rig!

roscoeiii · « **Reply #28 on:** 16 Apr 2013, 01:12 am »

Quote from: rob400 on 15 Apr 2013, 11:54 am

Hi Steve.

I run a L200mk2 with Densen B310 amp for now but am looking to purchase a HX100 in a couple of months time. Interestingly the upgrade path I plan will deviate from the flat-earth approach, I was more impressed by the B310 to HX100 improvement than L200 to L300 even with Compass. My end game is Versalex/XX2 P75mk3 L300/HX100 Obelisks 2 (I was also very impressed with the Densen 440xs cd player). I feel that it is an incredibly natural and neutral system especially through the mids and highs. I can't think of any caveat whilst recommending this kit.

Rob

I do like the P75s in PE mode with a low impedance Dyna cart like the XX-2. A killer combo.

That said, IF I was thinking of upgrading anything in that chain, it'd be the P75. But I'd also try to audition any potential upgrade. The P75 is a solid phono stage, competitive with more expensive phonos (that may have spent more on casework, etc). Especially considering you can use its PE mode.

Since it seems you are in the UK, if you get the phono upgrade bug, you might look into an Avid option. The Pulsus is great. I am running one now.

rob400 · « **Reply #29 on:** 16 Apr 2013, 01:41 pm »

I'll keep the phono stage suggestion in mind and post my opinions after audition. Thanks.

SteevA · « **Reply #30 on:** 17 Apr 2013, 03:04 pm »

I would agree on benefit of upgrading from p75 with your setup. I recently upgraded to a Pure Audio Vinyl and the improvement was substantial. The p75 was hiding 1/3 of what my xx2 was capable of.

As for amps, I have recently demoed an HX100 and was VERY impressed. Trying a Naim Nap300 (pre is nac52) next week, then some Pure Audio class A mono blocks.

Steve

rob400 · « **Reply #31 on:** 17 Apr 2013, 03:49 pm »

Hi Steve.

Thanks for the advise. I will check out the Pure Audio phono stage and report back as soon as.

With regard to your forthcoming power amp comparisons. I will be interested to read about your findings. I run and enjoyed a Naim 52/250 SBL system for 5 years. Its leading edge attack and bass speed was fantastic. I still miss that type of presentation with maybe one out of three albums.

Last year I dem'd the 252/300 against L300/HX100, admittedly with Versalex and Obelisks2. The Naim trademark sound is still there but with a smoother more detailed presentation. Still great with driving rock and anything without a hard edge to the recording. But my delicate sensibilities (I an 50 this year) preferred the Dynavectors. More open, detailed, less processed sounding and consistently good album to album. My well recorded classical and jazz albums especially sound a lot better now IMO. But if I were to predominately listen to for example Joe Cocker Sheffield Steel and that ilk I'd probably go for the Naims. All good gear. Enjoy.

Rob

threadkiller · « **Reply #32 on:** 17 Apr 2013, 04:00 pm »

Hi Steve and Rob,

Mark me a purist, for I'm still against mixing Naim and Dynavector. It'd either be one or the other, depending mostly on speaker choice. I haven't heard a mix that I've liked.
With the Obs, it would definitely be Dynavector for me - a proper Pear Audio system! Naim, even at the 500 level, just doesn't seem as good- with Shahinians, I mean. Kudos- give me the Naim.

And remember for those with a Dynavector 20 and higher, a great way to go is good mm phono stage and the Dynavector stepup. Excellent results.
Best
Charlie

SteevA · « **Reply #33 on:** 17 Apr 2013, 07:17 pm »

Didnt find the HX100 to be that much different to my 250 as far as basic presentation 'style' went. It was just a lot more in charge of the speakers and clearer. It did have a wider sound stage.

Gut feeling is that neither of those marquess will prove the winner in the end, but that might be jumping the gun. I am not particularly fussed about mixing as I will be judging the results by what I hear and if different brands dont work well together then chances are I wont like it..

Steve

rob400 · « **Reply #34 on:** 17 Apr 2013, 08:55 pm »

Fair play Steve.

My judgement was based on the Naim pre and power combi v DV pre power. I didn't try mixing. I stand by my sound style definition of my present Pear Audio esk system as opposed to my previous
Naim loaded one.

Hope you report back on the Pure Audio mono block dem. I read today a couple of very positive reviews on the Pure Audio gear. So wouldn't be surprised if you find that with the Vinyl they should sound excellent.

tipatina · « **Reply #35 on:** 25 Jan 2014, 03:39 am »

So, just going back to which direction for the 1/2 twist. The final setup should be inside string (closest to the spindle) ends up towards the front of the table?

Charisma12 · « **Reply #36 on:** 25 Jan 2014, 04:09 am »

Viewing from the front of the table, the string on the left is in front of the right after twisting.

rob400 · « **Reply #37 on:** 25 Jan 2014, 11:01 am »

if still in doubt another way to view it is that you should twist it so that the force is pulling the cartridge back toward the start of the LP resisting its natural progression toward the centre spindle.

SteevA · « **Reply #38 on:** 26 Jan 2014, 10:26 pm »

Quote from: rob400 on 17 Apr 2013, 08:55 pm

Fair play Steve.

My judgement was based on the Naim pre and power combi v DV pre power. I didn't try mixing. I stand by my sound style definition of my present Pear Audio esk system as opposed to my previous
Naim loaded one.

Hope you report back on the Pure Audio mono block dem. I read today a couple of very positive reviews on the Pure Audio gear. So wouldn't be surprised if you find that with the Vinyl they should sound excellent.

Forgot to report the Class A monoblock demo outcome.

They sounded superb but still failed to fully maintial full control during complex bass passages, - essentially the same issue my 250 had.
If not for that I would have selected them.

Ended up being offered a 2nd hand NAP500, an offer that I took up.

Steve

rob400 · « **Reply #39 on:** 26 Jan 2014, 10:50 pm »

They sounded superb but still failed to fully maintial full control during complec bass passages, - essentially the same issue my 250 had.
If not for that I would have selected them.

Ended up being offered a 2nd hand NAP500, an offer thay I took up.

Steve
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I'm sure your system sounds excellent Steve. Have you read about the new Naim S1 pre/power combo? By far their best sounding products to date apparently. Retail price is $200,000 USD. I'm ordered two pairs

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