what do you use to stuff ports?

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vpolineni

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what do you use to stuff ports?
« on: 31 May 2004, 04:57 am »
my speakers have 2 ports on the back of each of them.  I'm thinking of stuffing them to experiment with the sound.. what should I use to stuff them?  Would polyfill work?  I saw some "port tubes" on parts express...
http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?webpage_id=3&SO=2&&DID=7&CATID=46&ObjectGroup_ID=143
do they fit in the port and close it off?  or could I use something like bubble wrap?  thanks in advance.

bubba966

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« Reply #1 on: 31 May 2004, 05:04 am »
Very dense upholstry foam should work quite well. As would a cork if you can find one that fits at your local Lowe's or similar hardware store.

ooheadsoo

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« Reply #2 on: 31 May 2004, 05:21 am »
What do you guys think of a wadded up shirt?

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« Reply #3 on: 31 May 2004, 10:59 am »
One speaker company, Northcreek,  offered tunable ports:  essentially straws inserted in the port and pulled in or out to change the sound (always thought of a trombone when considering this concept).  This doesn't stuff the port, since obviously there are holes in straws but modifies its volume and length.  Maybe try those mini-straws that are used to stir/sip drinks???

I never tried this, but it SHOULD have an effect.

Google offered this link--

http://www.northcreekmusic.com/Borealis/SBReview.htm
The relevant section is
"A second area that requires more discussion is our method of port tuning, or "the straws".

It would be nice to say that it was invented here, but it was actually discussed first in writing by Dr. Neville Thiele himself, in an ASA journal in the late 1950's. The purpose of the straws in the port tube is to force laminar air flow through the port at high volume levels. Dr. Theile found this to be more effective than flaring the port's egress, a method used by many manufacturers at the time and recently reinvented. The method we developed of tuning the port - by keeping the port tube length constant while changing the length of the straws in the port - allows the builder to control both the tuning frequency and port Q. This in turn allows the Borealis' low frequency response to be precisely tuned to the builder's listening room and electronics.

Adding straws to the port will not work with most woofers because the additional flow resistance lowers Ql and can cause the woofer to go into over-excursion, as Dr. D'Appolito points out. It works with the Borealis because the Scan Speak 18W/8545 motor is constructed in such a way that over-excursion is not an issue. The benefit of forcing laminar flow through the port is the elimination of port noise, particularly at high volume levels, which Mr. Florian confirmed.

Gordy

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« Reply #4 on: 31 May 2004, 11:11 am »
The buttons on the shirts will have to be removed or they'll ring, best to use audiophile grade wool socks.  Dirty ones make for a better seal...

The closed cell foam used for pipe insulation works really well as do rubber stoppers.

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« Reply #5 on: 31 May 2004, 11:56 am »
You could try a banana.  :lol:   Sorry, just couldn't resist.  :oops:

markC

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« Reply #6 on: 1 Jun 2004, 01:29 am »
You must be getting bored...If you want the sound of sealed speaks; get sealed speaks....or at least go listen to some and see if you like them. I'll bet if your used to ported and try sealed as mains, you will not. Just my opinion though.

doug s.

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« Reply #7 on: 1 Jun 2004, 04:25 am »
rolled up socks work yust fine.  seriously.  i've only stuffed ported speakers when using subwoofers, tho...

doug s.

Ferdi

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« Reply #8 on: 1 Jun 2004, 09:57 am »
Hi Doug, I had the same idea and experience: A ball of socks works fine.

You can experiment with the fabric  :lol:

PhilNYC

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« Reply #9 on: 1 Jun 2004, 10:40 am »
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Hi Doug, I had the same idea and experience: A ball of socks works fine.

You can experiment with the fabric  :lol:


You laugh, but different fabrics definitely make a difference!  I had a customer interested in a pair of speakers, but the rear port would have been problematic for his room placement constraints.  So he asked if we could plug the port and see what it sounded like.  I didn't have a "real" port plug, so I tried a white athletic sock.  The white sock basically killed the sound, so we tried thinner dress socks, and it worked much better...!  :lol:

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« Reply #10 on: 1 Jun 2004, 04:33 pm »
Quote from: PhilNYC
Quote from: Ferdi
Hi Doug, I had the same idea and experience: A ball of socks works fine.

You can experiment with the fabric  :lol:


You laugh, but different fabrics definitely make a difference!  I had a customer interested in a pair of speakers, but the rear port would have been problematic for his room placement constraints.  So he asked if we could plug the port and see what it sounded like.  I didn't have a "real" port plug, so I tried a white athletic sock.  The white sock basically killed the sound, so we tried thinner dress socks, and it worked much better...!  :lol:

whichever type sock ya use, ya can roll it tighter or looser.  but, when blocking for subwoofers, i rolled as tight as possible - i wanted the monitors *SEALED*.

doug s.

markC

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« Reply #11 on: 2 Jun 2004, 03:11 am »
If Ya roll it too tight, it won't burn 8)