Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution

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werd

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear
« Reply #20 on: 15 Jun 2012, 04:49 pm »
Most standard homeowner policies will have some type of coverage for electronics and equipment damaged by lightning strikes, but there is usually a limitation on the total amount of coverage and there may also be a per-component limitation, unless additional coverage is purchased.

However many insurance policies will not cover equipment damage from power grid induced sags and surges that are not lightning related.  All of the insurers (obviously) recommend local or service panel (or both) surge protection devices.

Steve

The best protection IMO is just being active in unplugging in storms and while on vacation. The only time I have seen damage from surges is at the time of power being restored. So if the power goes out unplug everything until it comes back on. Also come home if you know the power has been dropped to unplug. This will save your gear.


During outages I unplug my RM 20 also.

tim92gts

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear
« Reply #21 on: 15 Jun 2012, 04:57 pm »
Are you saying that most standard policies cover or do not cover equipment due to lighting strikes????

I'm saying read the policy!
It may also be available as a cheap add on.
Could be limited depth of cover.
i name all my gear and list the serial numbers along with
the firearms, piano and a few bits of furniture.

We're getting plenty of policies with limited flood cover, some parts of the country have limited
subsidence cover. In a competitive market cover is cut if they don't think you'll need it.

You must read the bits about exclusions and specified perils extra carefully.

I'm high up so won't get flooded til sea level rises another 34 metres but i do attract some lightning.

ATB
Tim

ATB
Tim

werd

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear
« Reply #22 on: 15 Jun 2012, 05:05 pm »
I'm saying read the policy!
It may also be available as a cheap add on.
Could be limited depth of cover.
i name all my gear and list the serial numbers along with
the firearms, piano and a few bits of furniture.

We're getting plenty of policies with limited flood cover, some parts of the country have limited
subsidence cover. In a competitive market cover is cut if they don't think you'll need it.

You must read the bits about exclusions and specified perils extra carefully.

I'm high up so won't get flooded til sea level rises another 34 metres but i do attract some lightning.

ATB
Tim

ATB
Tim

Ultimately I would rather assume the risk in surges then file a claim. I probably wouldn't bother with insurance unless of course I have 30 or 40k lost. If my amp was lost I would just send in for repair and pay it myself. My insurance strategy has been for flood, fire and wind and theft. If that happens I don't want my insurance company seeing a whole bunch of whimisical claims on file.

Chicago

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution
« Reply #23 on: 15 Jun 2012, 06:26 pm »
You should still consider that torus on cam. It works as a surge protector and also a conditioner. I doubt that zero surge protector will not inhibit dynamic current requirements but will do ultimately what you are asking it to do and that is protect your gear.

Werd,
Thanks and I looked for cam but I couldn't figure out what site it was?  You may be right about the dynamic current but the company insists no current is impeded by the filter design (I don't know enough about it to make a judgement).  I will find out when I get it and try plugging the amp into it. 

Tim makes a good point about adding expensive items to a rider.  I carry some items on a rider with my carrier and it is what I call "stupid insurance".  It doesn't matter how the items are damaged (even if it results from your own stupidity) they will cover up to replacement cost.  So, if you happen to drop your turntable, they cover it and unless you were a pest with small claims your rates are not going to be affected.  At least that is what my carrier tells me. 

That said, I sure understand your perspective of not wanting to file claims. 

Happy Listening,
Mike

westom

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Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution
« Reply #24 on: 16 Jun 2012, 02:33 pm »
You may be right about the dynamic current but the company insists no current is impeded by the filter design
  I don't understand why you are grouping filtering (noise) with appliance protection (surges).  These are two completely different topics with different solutions.

  An equivalent circuit inside your $100 garden variety protector also sells in Wal-Mart for $7.  Why the price difference?  Did you read the manufacturer spec numbers?  Surge protectors are some of the easiest scams to promote.  That $100 protector does not claim to protect from a typically destructive surge.  But it does protect from some surges that are not destructive.  That near zero protection is just enough to advertise it as 100% protection.

Nothing stops a surge.  Will 2 centimeter MOVs or tiny passive filters in a Zerosurge stop what three miles of sky could not?  Again, that ‘stopping’ is what so many believe due to advertising and hearsay.

  A protector adjacent to electronics can only do two things.  Either stop a surge.  Or absorb the energy.  How many joules in that $100 protector?  Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules.  What will hundreds of joules in that expensive protector do?  Some adjacent protectors even create house fires as recently discussed by ramjet33 on 6 Jun 2012 in "My 110 Tall had a fire over the weekend!" 
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After placing a 911 call and getting the kids situated, I found the fire behind the tank in the dining room. …
The fire investigator says a build up of moisture in the surge protector faild the circuit and superheated to combustible limits. WOW.  … And the UL listed SP was still able to hold a charge enough to super heat the plastic to get flaming.

A solution used in any facility that can never have damage will cost you maybe $1 per protected appliance.  Comes from companies with better reputations such as Leviton, General Electric, ABB, Square D, Intermatic, and Siemens  - to name only a few.  Companies that any ‘guy’ knows as responsible.  This one ‘whole house’ protector must be located within feet of earth ground.  It has a wire to make that always required connection to earth.   A Cutler-Hammer version sells in Lowes and Home Depot for less than $50.

  A ‘whole house’ protector also has spec numbers that define protection even from direct lightning strikes.  Lightning may be 20,000 amps.  A minimally sized ‘whole house’ protector is 50,000 amps.  Because only effective protectors earth destructive surges.  And remain functional. 

  Most all anomalies (even interior generated surges) are made irrelevant by protection already inside every appliance.  Your concern is a rare anomaly that can overwhelm that protection.  That occurs maybe once every seven years.  That is the reason for protectors.  It helps when the protector claims to protect from that anomaly.  Read spec numbers for that $100 profit center.

  One ‘whole house’ protector properly earthed (earthing – not the protector – is more important) means even less surges (including interior generated ones) are made irrelevant.  What is always found in every facility that cannot have damage?  A properly earthed ‘whole house’ protector.    That superior solution is also your least expensive option.  Even that $100 garden variety protector needs the well proven ‘whole house’ protection.


werd

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution
« Reply #25 on: 16 Jun 2012, 03:16 pm »
Werd,
Thanks and I looked for cam but I couldn't figure out what site it was?  You may be right about the dynamic current but the company insists no current is impeded by the filter design (I don't know enough about it to make a judgement).  I will find out when I get it and try plugging the amp into it. 

Tim makes a good point about adding expensive items to a rider.  I carry some items on a rider with my carrier and it is what I call "stupid insurance".  It doesn't matter how the items are damaged (even if it results from your own stupidity) they will cover up to replacement cost.  So, if you happen to drop your turntable, they cover it and unless you were a pest with small claims your rates are not going to be affected.  At least that is what my carrier tells me. 

That said, I sure understand your perspective of not wanting to file claims. 

Happy Listening,
Mike

Canuck audio mart - cam

drummermitchell

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution
« Reply #26 on: 16 Jun 2012, 06:31 pm »
Yep,canuckaudiomart(one word),under accessories, I believe  around the 4th page.
Or you can just type in the search box(torus)and she'll pop up.
If I could pu another 1812 sub,I would have bought the Torus for that sub also.
The seller dropped price from 2200-2000,he's outta BC :thumb:.

Chicago

Re: Surge protection for Bryston gear - My solution
« Reply #27 on: 16 Jun 2012, 09:02 pm »
Yep,canuckaudiomart(one word),under accessories, I believe  around the 4th page.
Or you can just type in the search box(torus)and she'll pop up.
If I could pu another 1812 sub,I would have bought the Torus for that sub also.
The seller dropped price from 2200-2000,he's outta BC :thumb:.


Werd and DrummerMitchell
Thanks for the explanation.